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Jalen Smith had a +10 against the Rockets. That's what you call a Team leader.
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I mean, Smith had the highest +/- rating of every rotation player except Zach before today. Today's game brings him into the net positives now lol
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Josh Giddey has a plus/minus of -113 this season.
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just what the bulls wanted!Josh Giddey Plus Minus | StatMuse
Josh Giddey has a plus/minus of -113 this season.www.statmuse.com
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The numbers through 16 games.
Still leading in pace, still jacking up 3s (and making a solid percentage) while being a terrible defensive team, still turning the ball over excessively.
Individual player wise...
Vuc continues to shoot the lights out. Let's see if it continues long enough to warrant something in a trade.
Patrick Williams, now out with a foot problem (oh no here we go again?), continues to be a reliable 3pt shooter, but his 2pt% is awful. The viral stat is he's 2/7 on dunks or some such. Terrible.
Zach and Coby are pretty much doing what we'd hope and expect. Good on them.
Giddey's shooting numbers have, as I expected, fallen off the cliff. Billy continues to play Ayo over him in crunch time, but Ayo's numbers aren't really wowing anyone either.
Jalen Smith's stats don't really jump out at you, and his shooting stats have started to drop also, but his plus minus numbers continue to be oddly high (relatively speaking, as naturally as a losing team all the plus minus numbers look bad).
Somehow Dalen Terry's shooting numbers look respectable now.
Still leading in pace, still jacking up 3s (and making a solid percentage) while being a terrible defensive team, still turning the ball over excessively.
Individual player wise...
Vuc continues to shoot the lights out. Let's see if it continues long enough to warrant something in a trade.
Patrick Williams, now out with a foot problem (oh no here we go again?), continues to be a reliable 3pt shooter, but his 2pt% is awful. The viral stat is he's 2/7 on dunks or some such. Terrible.
Zach and Coby are pretty much doing what we'd hope and expect. Good on them.
Giddey's shooting numbers have, as I expected, fallen off the cliff. Billy continues to play Ayo over him in crunch time, but Ayo's numbers aren't really wowing anyone either.
Jalen Smith's stats don't really jump out at you, and his shooting stats have started to drop also, but his plus minus numbers continue to be oddly high (relatively speaking, as naturally as a losing team all the plus minus numbers look bad).
Somehow Dalen Terry's shooting numbers look respectable now.
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looking at individual +-, looks like the bulls should play ayo, giddey, pwill, and coby less. and play THT, Craig, and duarte more.
but then again, if the goal is to tank, then play those 4 more lol
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Clearly the Bulls are faking Lonzo's injury to tank
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Never been a big fan of +/- in general. Lot of variables. It’s a fun stat to look at, but definitely not without its short comings.
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It's sad that the Bulls are so uninspiring that it's been nearly 10 days since this forum had a post.
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It's a funny thing, even winning teams are seeing drops in fan participation. People are just bored with watching 3 point shooting contests, and are resorting to more bandwagoning and simply showing up for the playoffs. It's not this magical thing some of us witnessed when Michael Jordan changed the entire world of sports.
The Bulls are just stale, so many fans wanted Zack gone years ago so they don't really care about him setting the 3pt record.
Who is optimistic in Balls ability to stay healthy and perform at a high level.
PWill is out again, not that we missed him against the Nets.
Vuc showing up in great shape this year, but reminding us that he really didn't try to get in shape when the team was healthier a few seasons ago.
So what do you have left? Long term projects, players tying up cap space, and nobody worth a damn that is jumping to sign here. Shit, I bet the players show up with compressed discs to every game just driving through the off-road city streets.
I don't blame anyone for breaking up with the Bulls, for questioning their loyalty, or simply losing their interest. It's pretty healthy to not add more stress in your life. I'm still going to watch, *****, moan, praise, and do all the bullshit that comes with Chicago sports, but everything we can say, is just beating a dead horse.
Who knows, maybe it will become like the Cubs. Where you go for the history and atmosphere and enjoy the game, but it's become the lovable losers 2.0. If that winds up being the best case scenario, how much insult to injury is that?
The Bulls are just stale, so many fans wanted Zack gone years ago so they don't really care about him setting the 3pt record.
Who is optimistic in Balls ability to stay healthy and perform at a high level.
PWill is out again, not that we missed him against the Nets.
Vuc showing up in great shape this year, but reminding us that he really didn't try to get in shape when the team was healthier a few seasons ago.
So what do you have left? Long term projects, players tying up cap space, and nobody worth a damn that is jumping to sign here. Shit, I bet the players show up with compressed discs to every game just driving through the off-road city streets.
I don't blame anyone for breaking up with the Bulls, for questioning their loyalty, or simply losing their interest. It's pretty healthy to not add more stress in your life. I'm still going to watch, *****, moan, praise, and do all the bullshit that comes with Chicago sports, but everything we can say, is just beating a dead horse.
Who knows, maybe it will become like the Cubs. Where you go for the history and atmosphere and enjoy the game, but it's become the lovable losers 2.0. If that winds up being the best case scenario, how much insult to injury is that?
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In many ways, they're already in some form lovable losers...except for posters here they're probably more deplorable losers. They're clearly not trying to tank, which you can argue one way or the other on that, but also clearly not good enough to even be a .500 team. Not hard to see why engagement is low, even taking the modern NBA style of play out of the equation (it's a whole other conversation lol).
The one thing I do find interesting so far is the complete 180 Vucevic has done with his shooting. His complete drop off and resurgence is something I doubt has occurred in other players...presuming he shoots somewhere around 40% from 3 to finish the year, which it is entirely plausible he does not if he were to suddenly revert back to the Vuc we've seen for the last 3 years.
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I might post more if I could watch them.
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Get an antenna
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Get bent.
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Or DirecTV, FuboTV, or Astound Broadband (wtf is this), or subscribe to their streaming service
No wonder no one else is watching
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I have Hulu, and they don't (as of yet?) carry CHSN. I'm not going to go out and buy an antenna, or switch providers for a 35-win team.* Reinsdorf, Wirtz, and whomstever else involved with this has buttfucked the fans. Again. I'm not going out of my way for them. The only Bulls games I've watched this years was the one on ESPN, and when I went to the bar that paid for CHSN.
* Crazy how I can say 35-win team and I could be talking about any one of the three.
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Well that's what I'm saying...it's pretty wild that these are the only ways they've decided to make their product presentable to their fanbase
But like I always say, the only way to really make a point known to ownership, is to affect their pocketbooks somehow
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Just get an AI filter to deepfake the faces and jerseys on the Washington Generals with Bulls players, and deepfake the Globetrotters with the team the Bulls are playing that night. Have Stacey sing, Nationwide is on our side 2x, and feels legit.
It's cheaper than league pass, and pretty accurate.
It's cheaper than league pass, and pretty accurate.
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I think most fans could agree that today’s 3 pt shooting contest style of play is awful. Here’s my proposal, which is drastic, but I do believe would make the game more interesting.
Move back the 3 pt line to 30 feet
What I think this will accomplish:
1. Less contested 3s. Players will take less contested 3s because of the distance. There would be less 3s in general, which will make the actual 3s being made more exciting and less of a layup
2. The “midrange” returns.
3. More of an emphasis on cutting/slashing, hi/low action, and ball movement
4. The paint becomes sacred again. If there are less 3s, points in the paint become (even more so) paramount again. Teams will really guard the paint and if you get in there, you will be met with heavy resistance. Nowadays, since 3s are so valued, when you’re in the paint teams more often than not barely put up any resistance.
5. Return of gritty defense. This may be wishful thinking with today’s players, but I do think it will improve.
What do you guys think? To be clear, I don’t think this will ever happen….at least not to the extent that I proposed, but curious to hear your thoughts, and if there are any potential benefits/negatives I’m missing.
Move back the 3 pt line to 30 feet
What I think this will accomplish:
1. Less contested 3s. Players will take less contested 3s because of the distance. There would be less 3s in general, which will make the actual 3s being made more exciting and less of a layup
2. The “midrange” returns.
3. More of an emphasis on cutting/slashing, hi/low action, and ball movement
4. The paint becomes sacred again. If there are less 3s, points in the paint become (even more so) paramount again. Teams will really guard the paint and if you get in there, you will be met with heavy resistance. Nowadays, since 3s are so valued, when you’re in the paint teams more often than not barely put up any resistance.
5. Return of gritty defense. This may be wishful thinking with today’s players, but I do think it will improve.
What do you guys think? To be clear, I don’t think this will ever happen….at least not to the extent that I proposed, but curious to hear your thoughts, and if there are any potential benefits/negatives I’m missing.
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My rule change wishlist.
-Restore hand checking rules. "Arm checking" just created more elbows, so they'll need to call the chicken wings that happen outside the key. Hand checks can not change the direction of a players momentum(the original problem that started the series of interpretation changes).
-Call carries. CALL FUCKING CARRIES. It's not our fault James Harden can't see where the ball is under his beard.
-More than 2 players outside the arc with 10 seconds on the shot clock is illegal offense, turnover, and technical foul+free throw on the 3rd team violation.
-And T up players that cry and complain. Stop giving LeBron a free pass, it makes the NBA look rigged. If you want superstar calls, then maybe let one slide per game, not 20x like it is now.
-Inbound violation if the team with possession doesn't pickup a rolling ball after 3 seconds of putting the ball into the playable area.
-Allow flops to be challenged, and players to get ejected upon review, call it Rules Interference Violation and only do it when it's absolutely clear.
- A player can make incidental contact with a shooter while shooter is in descension after a ball is no longer in possession of the shooter. Planting feet under a players landing area should be a technical foul, F1+fine if contact occurs, F2+fine if injury occurs(doctor verified), and a suspension if causes a player to miss time.
-Players boxing out for a rebound can not swing elbows in head space of other players.
-Any fragrant foul pertaining to protected physical zones(head, knees) will resort in a quarter loss minimum. The player will be ineligible for the final 12 minutes of a game, and any overtime that follows. Basically rolling back the seriousness of some of the fragrant twos that used to never be fragrant fouls to begin with, all while addressing player safety. NOT reverting the fragrant foul calls back to the 1980s, we don't want that either. Just dial it back enough to allow games to get more emotional and physical, find that sweet spot where the sport ends and the violence begins.
-Create an official player probation, Draymond Green, Bruce Bowen, Rodman rules, whatever youl want to call them. Define what puts a player into probation, have the NBA Players association agree on foul frequency and foul types make a player eligable, and determine how the probation is enforced. This way the players have less to complain about because they voted on it. It doesn't change how the rules are enforced, only changes how repeat offenders are handled.
-Teams are no longer allowed to hire retired NBA referees, it will be considered a tampering violation to contract any NBRA members for consultation. Call this the Mark Cuban rule that we finally needed to see. It was bad enough to hear refs come out about the scandals, even worse when you know teams can buy favor. Whatever information the refs give out, they need to give it to all teams equally and openly. among the members of the NBA.
-Teams can not provide personal assistants to players that make more than 25% of the league minumum, and after the rookie season. Big markets and deep pocket owners try to skirt the sallary cap by providing ammenities, and this is the big one now, as teams use it as proxy blank check for players.
-Reserve referees need to be subsituted into games. The central office has the right to pull any referee at any time to investigate any form of favor, especialy outcome tampering. Call them the Scott Foster rules if you want.
-Restore hand checking rules. "Arm checking" just created more elbows, so they'll need to call the chicken wings that happen outside the key. Hand checks can not change the direction of a players momentum(the original problem that started the series of interpretation changes).
-Call carries. CALL FUCKING CARRIES. It's not our fault James Harden can't see where the ball is under his beard.
-More than 2 players outside the arc with 10 seconds on the shot clock is illegal offense, turnover, and technical foul+free throw on the 3rd team violation.
-And T up players that cry and complain. Stop giving LeBron a free pass, it makes the NBA look rigged. If you want superstar calls, then maybe let one slide per game, not 20x like it is now.
-Inbound violation if the team with possession doesn't pickup a rolling ball after 3 seconds of putting the ball into the playable area.
-Allow flops to be challenged, and players to get ejected upon review, call it Rules Interference Violation and only do it when it's absolutely clear.
- A player can make incidental contact with a shooter while shooter is in descension after a ball is no longer in possession of the shooter. Planting feet under a players landing area should be a technical foul, F1+fine if contact occurs, F2+fine if injury occurs(doctor verified), and a suspension if causes a player to miss time.
-Players boxing out for a rebound can not swing elbows in head space of other players.
-Any fragrant foul pertaining to protected physical zones(head, knees) will resort in a quarter loss minimum. The player will be ineligible for the final 12 minutes of a game, and any overtime that follows. Basically rolling back the seriousness of some of the fragrant twos that used to never be fragrant fouls to begin with, all while addressing player safety. NOT reverting the fragrant foul calls back to the 1980s, we don't want that either. Just dial it back enough to allow games to get more emotional and physical, find that sweet spot where the sport ends and the violence begins.
-Create an official player probation, Draymond Green, Bruce Bowen, Rodman rules, whatever youl want to call them. Define what puts a player into probation, have the NBA Players association agree on foul frequency and foul types make a player eligable, and determine how the probation is enforced. This way the players have less to complain about because they voted on it. It doesn't change how the rules are enforced, only changes how repeat offenders are handled.
-Teams are no longer allowed to hire retired NBA referees, it will be considered a tampering violation to contract any NBRA members for consultation. Call this the Mark Cuban rule that we finally needed to see. It was bad enough to hear refs come out about the scandals, even worse when you know teams can buy favor. Whatever information the refs give out, they need to give it to all teams equally and openly. among the members of the NBA.
-Teams can not provide personal assistants to players that make more than 25% of the league minumum, and after the rookie season. Big markets and deep pocket owners try to skirt the sallary cap by providing ammenities, and this is the big one now, as teams use it as proxy blank check for players.
-Reserve referees need to be subsituted into games. The central office has the right to pull any referee at any time to investigate any form of favor, especialy outcome tampering. Call them the Scott Foster rules if you want.