2025 NBA Draft Discussion

[Probie2429]

Wingspan?
Attitude?

Giannis is one of the most physically dominant forwards to ever play the game. He might/nearly usurps Shawn Kemp and Karl Malone. Lebron James territory attacking the rim.

If that is your idea for this kid then I guess you will be laughing/crying soon enough.

Giannis wasn’t that player on draft night. He was a twig. He was drafted 12 years ago now.

 

[Enasic]

Giannis wasn’t that player on draft night. He was a twig. He was drafted 12 years ago now.

He was drafted 15th overall because he’s one of the most physically dominant players to ever play the game

 

[clonetrooper264]

They're actually competitive in their early days.. the days of Bob Love, Jerry Sloan, Norm Van Lier... they got old around the time the NBA-ABA merger happened and the Bulls then were mostly bad. Artis Gilmore and Reggie Theus helped a little, but weren't anywhere near enough.

If we assume the Blazers draft Jordan and the Bulls take Sam Bowie, and Jerry Reinsdorf still buys the team, there is every reason to believe that the Bulls never end up champions in the league. The question around that really is how is Jerry Krause in the 1980s without Jordan. Krause wasn't a bad evaluator of talent by any means as he had a ton of NBA scouting and found lots of good players (and fell in love with lots of bad players). But his combo of talent eval and his giant ego, I do certainly question his ability to actually build a championship team all by himself.

Also in this alternative timeline, without Jordan, the Bulls don't become the powerhouse money grabber they currently are, so does that make Jerry Krause act differently? Does he dump Jerry Krause if the Bulls aren't performing and making him money?

Questions certainly... but if we look on the surface, you're probably right in that this team is like the Sacramento Kings.

Those early Bulls teams did have some success, but as noted could never go all the way. Some very good players on those teams that you mentioned. Every franchise has a stretch like that I feel like. But few can consistently build teams to play at that level. How long are the playoff droughts without Jordan in the picture...it's anyone's guess. But it's a fair take to say that presuming the Bulls even produce an average team performance during those 80s-90s years, they're still on the level of Sacramento, Washington, maybe Minnesota kind of franchises, all so much smaller markets than Chicago. Meanwhile you see a team like San Antonio punch fairly consistently above their weight, though of course much of that is due to Tim Duncan. Still, just makes you question if the team really knows what they're doing or cares about actually winning.

 

[Scoot26]

Those early Bulls teams did have some success, but as noted could never go all the way. Some very good players on those teams that you mentioned. Every franchise has a stretch like that I feel like. But few can consistently build teams to play at that level. How long are the playoff droughts without Jordan in the picture...it's anyone's guess. But it's a fair take to say that presuming the Bulls even produce an average team performance during those 80s-90s years, they're still on the level of Sacramento, Washington, maybe Minnesota kind of franchises, all so much smaller markets than Chicago. Meanwhile you see a team like San Antonio punch fairly consistently above their weight, though of course much of that is due to Tim Duncan. Still, just makes you question if the team really knows what they're doing or cares about actually winning.

The Bulls made the playoffs in 1981, beat the Knicks in the best of 3 first round and then soundly got swept by the eventual champion Boston Celtics.

The next season they sucked for whatever reason despite having the same team as the year before. I do think Jerry Krause probably does enough in the late 80s to get the team back into the playoff picture. The question really is does Jerry find anyone at all that is star worthy and can run this franchise. If not, its just gonna be a bunch of "we made the playoffs and lost right away!" or Washington Wizards style "maybe we make the 2nd round!"

By the 90s this gets tiresome. With the team not being a giant money maker, it could get Jerry Reinsdorf to sell his majority shares at some point as well.

But, its like the Bulls sold their soul for those 6 ships and the fans are going to get punished for the rest of time now.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Rask is our resident Basketball Bundesliga expert. He's seen every game this kid has played.

I would prefer he play in NCAA at his age. Those pro teams might beat a college team, but I don't think the competitive nature is as fierce. The time and space is different in American basketball.

I'm actually more excited about the Australian kid in the second round who is ready to contribute now. He gave us a baseline freshman year at CSU Bakersfield?

For all the cash considerations crap we gave AK he actually managed to pull a potential sleeper, although I think Cryer can probably play in the league too and would have been into that.

 

[TexasBearfan]

The Bulls made the playoffs in 1981, beat the Knicks in the best of 3 first round and then soundly got swept by the eventual champion Boston Celtics.

The next season they sucked for whatever reason despite having the same team as the year before. I do think Jerry Krause probably does enough in the late 80s to get the team back into the playoff picture. The question really is does Jerry find anyone at all that is star worthy and can run this franchise. If not, its just gonna be a bunch of "we made the playoffs and lost right away!" or Washington Wizards style "maybe we make the 2nd round!"

By the 90s this gets tiresome. With the team not being a giant money maker, it could get Jerry Reinsdorf to sell his majority shares at some point as well.

But, its like the Bulls sold their soul for those 6 ships and the fans are going to get punished for the rest of time now.

i'm watching the summer league, they were supposed to be the toast of the summer league, 18 turnover in the first half, dribble down as fast as possible then miss a 3. A lot of their new pickups are subpar shooters. I don't get what they're doing at all

 

[Axl Rose]

The Bulls sucked but the Raps played the hardest I've ever seen a team play in summer league LOL.

You would have figured it was game 7 in the NBA finals.

 

[clonetrooper264]

The Bulls sucked but the Raps played the hardest I've ever seen a team play in summer league LOL.

You would have figured it was game 7 in the NBA finals.

Raptors players playing like they're fighting for contracts/roster spots. Bulls players playing like they don't gotta worry about that stuff. I'd expect similar throughout summer league, but I don't even blame the Bulls players for that...the roster situation is pretty cut and dry unless there's trades made and that front looks ice cold as of now.

 

[Scoot26]

Raptors players playing like they're fighting for contracts/roster spots. Bulls players playing like they don't gotta worry about that stuff. I'd expect similar throughout summer league, but I don't even blame the Bulls players for that...the roster situation is pretty cut and dry unless there's trades made and that front looks ice cold as of now.

Only if they can find the perfect 1 for 1 trade.

 

[bamainatlanta]

i'm watching the summer league, they were supposed to be the toast of the summer league, 18 turnover in the first half, dribble down as fast as possible then miss a 3. A lot of their new pickups are subpar shooters. I don't get what they're doing at all

You can’t really draw any legitimate conclusions from any league’s preseason or developmental leagues.

 

[clonetrooper264]

You can’t really draw any legitimate conclusions from any league’s preseason or developmental leagues.

Even less so for summer league really

 

[Axl Rose]

We are actually toast in the summer league, so whoever said that didn't lie.

 

[clonetrooper264]

We are actually toast in the summer league, so whoever said that didn't lie.

The team is actually trash, yes. Though looking at some of the other rosters, it feels like the Bulls team has the least number of actual NBA players on it. But it's summer league, so it's all meaningless anyway...I won't read much into it. Only thing that does matter is potential injury

 

[Axl Rose]

Noa getting yammed on by a white boy with a mullet is a tough start to his career. He had a good game overall though.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Noa getting yammed on by a white boy with a mullet is a tough start to his career. He had a good game overall though.

Had NOA idea who he was and now there's NOA WAY I'll forget that dunk. Ouch.

 

[Scoot26]

His career is over.

 

[TexasBearfan]

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His career is over.

pick 35 going all in pick 12's mouth forever memorialized, if that isn't motivation to get in the weight room I don't know what is

 

[clonetrooper264]

Noa's face pretty much sums up this era of Bulls basketball

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Only if they can find the perfect 1 for 1 trade.

Dalen Terry for Scottie Barnes