3 of the 4 remaining QBs

[Broc]

Oh boy

Exactly. There is no point. Just another pointless bullshit thread for Mick to ***** and moan about Cutler like we all don't know what he thinks of the situation.

 

[onebud34]

Exactly. There is no point. Just another pointless bullshit thread for Mick to ***** and moan about Cutler like we all don't know what he thinks of the situation.

His point is valid though

 

[gpphat]

I'll be upset if we don't draft a QB at all. McCown won't be here forever. We've seen arm strength isn't need to run Trestman's system. Smart decisive reads, quick progression, and anticipation. We can find a QB that has those assests. He doesn't need to be a starter but we do need a backup even in the event McCown re-signs for a year or two.

I'm with you too....it doesn't have to be with the 14th pick, but I hope we don't wait past the 3rd to grab one.

 

[Jester]

Exactly. There is no point. Just another pointless bullshit thread for Mick to ***** and moan about Cutler like we all don't know what he thinks of the situation.

Get used to it, he will probably be bitching for the next 3-7 years, poor guy.

 

[BNB]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

But the point of this thread is to show that you don't need a very high draft pick to draft a QB that can potentially take you to the Superbowl. And all the people saying there's no point in drafting a QB in the first round because we don't have a good enough pick [and it's not like we'll draft the next Tom Brady because those types of guys go #1 overall] aren't exactly correct because very good QB's can go much later than the 14th pick [or 2nd rd. pick or w/e]... so it's entirely possible that the QB you draft in that spot could be the next Tom Brady.

Or am I off here?

 

[Bearin' Down]

you are aware that the Bears have more than just the 14th pick...it doesn't matter if you were referring to only the 14th pick, the reality of the situation is the Bears not only have rounds 2-7 to draft the needs on the defense, but they also have that magical thing called free agency. So believe it or not, the Bears could have drafted a QB at the 14th overall pick and still address the defense through the 6 other picks they have and even grab some proven veterans.....dumb ass

It does matter because I was referring only to the 14th pick as I was addressing BearMick's statement about the 14th pick ONLY; a fact that seems lost on you. I was asking Bear Mick a direct question about the 14th overall pick. I was clarifying whether he was actually for ignoring those other positions and drafting a qb at 14. You stated that there are other picks in the NFL draft besides 14. But that was not the issue. The issue was only whether Bear Mick was in favor of actually ignoring those other positions at 14 and drafting a QB at 14. Meaning, your inclusion of what the Bears do in rounds 2-7 and in free agency is irrelevant to the conversation, or lack thereof as it turned out, with BearMick. Hence, your reading comprehension is severely lacking.

 

[gpphat]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

But the point of this thread is to show that you don't need a very high draft pick to draft a QB that can potentially take you to the Superbowl. And all the people saying there's no point in drafting a QB in the first round because we don't have a good enough pick [and it's not like we'll draft the next Tom Brady because those types of guys go #1 overall] aren't exactly correct because very good QB's can go much later than the 14th pick [or 2nd rd. pick or w/e]... so it's entirely possible that the QB you draft in that spot could be the next Tom Brady.

Or am I off here?

Change your last sentence to say "so it's entirely possible that the QB you draft in that spot could be good enough to lead you to mulitple playoffs and multiple conference championship games"

and you will be spot on

 

[Broc]

His point is valid though

No it's not because you can't even fucking explain what his point is... His OP tells us that 3 of the 4 QB's aren't first round picks. Some ground breaking analysis there lol. It then ends with a dig at people who don't think the 14th is high enough to draft a QB to win with... Um OK, so the point is what here exactly??

That the Bears should use the 14th pick on a QB even though you just stated that 3 of the 4 QB's playing aren't first round picks??

Make up your fucking mind. If 2nd, 3rd, and 6th round picks are good enough to win with why do we need to use the 14th on a QB when the defense is a fucking sieve and has holes all over. His "point" is Special person and so are you for trying to defend it.

 

[ijustposthere]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

But the point of this thread is to show that you don't need a very high draft pick to draft a QB that can potentially take you to the Superbowl. And all the people saying there's no point in drafting a QB in the first round because we don't have a good enough pick [and it's not like we'll draft the next Tom Brady because those types of guys go #1 overall] aren't exactly correct because very good QB's can go much later than the 14th pick [or 2nd rd. pick or w/e]... so it's entirely possible that the QB you draft in that spot could be the next Tom Brady.

Or am I off here?

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. First, it's that you can get good QBs after the first round, then it's that 14 is high enough to draft a replacement, but now we can't do that because **** Cutler, then we can't get defense with one pick, etc. It's just all over the place.

 

[Love Da Bears]

It's also fair to point out that the winning Qbs from all the games had the most pedestrian stats. And that 3 of those 4 teams had top 4 defenses. To go with Mick's mantra of "Cutler isn't good enough to win with'. That's just not true. Here's an average of the four winning qbs from this past week.

15.5 attempts/26.7 completions/ 181.7 yards/ .75 tds/ .25 ints. Clearly Cutler fits in here. Edit, only fair to add that Kaep had a rushing td. So the average TD for the Qbs was 1.

Now, i'm not a Cutler fanboy truthfully i'm not, there are a lot of reasons to hate Cutler. He throw's too many picks, you hate his body language, he's a confirmed asshole, whatever...that's fine. He's clearly good enough to win with. And the 3 year deal has been lauded as being remarkably fair to both sides...so the Bears didn't 'blow their next three years' either.

None of this guarantees a Superbowl win obviously, but really nothing does. So the best and really only thing to do is to just sit back and see what happens. He's here a minimum of 3 years, after that he's probably gone and the Bears will move on.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

He better be. The Bears offense outscored the 49ers offense this season.

Actually only the offense with McCown at the helm out scored the Niners. The one with Jay was just middle of the road.

 

[BearFanJohn]

The Bears have their QB for the next few years. Period. It isn't going to change unless he suddenly retires. Get used to it. The defense needs far, far too much help to use a #1 pick on a QB. If Emery/Trestman think they can find someone in the 4th or later then I suspect they may grab a QB.

To the OP, yes, #14 in the 1st can get a team a very good QB. But it doesn't matter as it relates to the Bears.

 

[gpphat]

It does matter if I was referring only to the 14th pick as I was addressing BearMick's statement about the 14th pick ONLY; a fact that seems lost on you. I was asking Bear Mick a direct question about the 14th overall pick. I was clarifying whether he was actually for ignoring those other positions and drafting a qb at 14. You stated that there are other picks in the NFL draft besides 14. But that was not the issue. The issue was only whether Bear Mick was in favor of actually ignoring those other positions at 14 and drafting a QB at 14. Meaning, your inclusion of what the Bears do in rounds 2-7 and in free agency is irrelevant to the conversation, or lack thereof as it turned out, with BearMick. Hence, your reading comprehension is severely lacking.

Are you really that thick? His point was that you could draft a QB at 14 and have a successful team with that QB leading them. Your argument has been drafting a QB with the 14th pick would be ignoring the defense. In a vacuum when a team only has their first round pick to address the needs of the team than congrats you have made a very valid point, drafting a QB with the 14th pick in that situation would be the wrong move. But anyone who can think for themselves and use a little deductive reasoning would understand what mick's point was and that the team can address the defense through other means.

 

[BNB]

It's also fair to point out that the winning Qbs from all the games had the most pedestrian stats. And that 3 of those 4 teams had top 4 defenses. To go with Mick's mantra of "Cutler isn't good enough to win with'. That's just not true. Here's an average of the four winning qbs from this past week.

15.5 attempts/26.7 completions/ 181.7 yards/ .75 tds/ .25 ints. Clearly Cutler fits in here.

Now, i'm not a Cutler fanboy truthfully i'm not, there are a lot of reasons to hate Cutler. He throw's too many picks, you hate his body language, he's a confirmed asshole, whatever...that's fine. He's clearly good enough to win with. And the 3 year deal has been lauded as being remarkably fair to both sides...so the Bears didn't 'blow their next three years' either.

None of this guarantees a Superbowl win obviously, but really nothing does. So the best and really only thing to do is to just sit back and see what happens. He's here a minimum of 3 years, after that he's probably gone and the Bears will move on.

That's actually one thing that three of the winning QB's didn't and don't usually do... Throw too many picks.

Kaep, Wilson and Brady all had unspectacular games. But none of them had a turnover [or turnoverS] that may have cost them the game.

Does anyone trust that Cutler could have a clean game consistently when it matters most?

If he can learn to play conservative and throw quick short passes and just hand the ball off when he isn't playing well, then maybe we've got a shot with Jay if the defense improves to an adequate enough level. I don't know if I trust Jay doing that though.

 

[onebud34]

No it's not because you can't even fucking explain what his point is... His OP tells us that 3 of the 4 QB's aren't first round picks. Some ground breaking analysis there lol. It then ends with a dig at people who don't think the 14th is high enough to draft a QB to win with... Um OK, so the point is what here exactly??

That the Bears should use the 14th pick on a QB even though you just stated that 3 of the 4 QB's playing aren't first round picks??

Make up your fucking mind. If 2nd, 3rd, and 6th round picks are good enough to win with why do we need to use the 14th on a QB when the defense is a fucking sieve and has holes all over. His "point" is Special person and so are you for trying to defend it.

I think BNB explained it quite well

 

[bearmick]

Um OK, so the point is what here exactly??

That the Bears should use the 14th pick on a QB even though you just stated that 3 of the 4 QB's playing aren't first round picks??

No. My point is that all the people who were saying "Cutler is better option than anyone you're going to get with the 14th pick", or "none of the college QBs we would get are going to be worth it", or a variation of that comment, are extremely short-sighted. The truth is that it doesn't necessarily have to be a first rounder at all.

And when you consider the quality of weapons on the Bears offense and the QB friendly scheme and coaching, that point is emphasized even more.

 

[onebud34]

That's actually one thing that three of the winning QB's didn't and don't usually do... Throw too many picks.

Kaep, Wilson and Brady all had unspectacular games. But none of them had a turnover [or turnoverS] that may have cost them the game.

Does anyone trust that Cutler could have a clean game consistently when it matters most?

If he can learn to play conservative and throw quick short passes and just hand the ball off when he isn't playing well, then maybe we've got a shot with Jay if the defense improves to an adequate enough level. I don't know if I trust Jay doing that though.

I think consistency is the key...he can't even be consistent in the regular season. So I have strong doubts that he is capable of doing that for 4 games in a row in the postseason.

 

[Bearin' Down]

Are you really that thick? His point was that you could draft a QB at 14 and have a successful team with that QB leading them. Your argument has been drafting a QB with the 14th pick would be ignoring the defense. In a vacuum when a team only has their first round pick to address the needs of the team than congrats you have made a very valid point, drafting a QB with the 14th pick in that situation would be the wrong move. But anyone who can think for themselves and use a little deductive reasoning would understand what mick's point was and that the team can address the defense through other means.

I agree that one of his points is that a QB can be successfully drafted at 14 or later. That is obvious. What you are missing is his advocation that the Bears do it at the 14th overall pick. It's the last line in his original post. If he had been advocating drafting one later, he would have said that. But he wants the Bears to draft one at 14. My argument was not that drafting a QB with the 14th pick would be ignoring the defense. I was simply trying to get BearMick to actually clarify, for people like you, that his position was in fact advocating drafting one at 14; something I think is sufficiently spelled out in his original post. BearMick never responded, so I never made an argument on the subject.

My clarification, again, was solely in regard to that 14th pick. The same pick that bearmick advocated taking a QB at. You chimmed in about the other rounds. Let me break down this conversation in hypothetical terms, so we can really illustrate how off base you are (forgive me for how *** this sounds):

Bear Mick: What should we have dinner? I'm thinking about steak, gravy, and potatoes.

Bearin' Down: You want steak, gravy, and potatoes for dinner? Do you really think that this dinner has the nutritional support you need?

gpphat: There are other meals besides dinner.

Bearin Down: WTF?

 

[Love Da Bears]

That's actually one thing that three of the winning QB's didn't and don't usually do... Throw too many picks.

Kaep, Wilson and Brady all had unspectacular games. But none of them had a turnover [or turnoverS] that may have cost them the game.

Does anyone trust that Cutler could have a clean game consistently when it matters most?

If he can learn to play conservative and throw quick short passes and just hand the ball off when he isn't playing well, then maybe we've got a shot with Jay if the defense improves to an adequate enough level. I don't know if I trust Jay doing that though.

I agree...I think that Cutler can be that guy. No, this isn't based on any historical data, cause we all know it's not there. I trust Trestman to work his magic. Before this year McCown had 37 tds and 44 ints for his career. He now has 50 tds and 45 ints. I see no reason that Cutler can't do something similar.

 

[bearmick]

That's actually one thing that three of the winning QB's didn't and don't usually do... Throw too many picks.

Kaep, Wilson and Brady all had unspectacular games. But none of them had a turnover [or turnoverS] that may have cost them the game.

Does anyone trust that Cutler could have a clean game consistently when it matters most?

Absolutely not, and you hit the nail on the head. This is the point. People keep expecting Cutler to turn a corner in that regard, whereas I don't think he will. I think we've seen who he is and that's what you're going to get.