3 of the 4 remaining QBs

[DMelt36]

That's actually one thing that three of the winning QB's didn't and don't usually do... Throw too many picks.

Kaep, Wilson and Brady all had unspectacular games. But none of them had a turnover [or turnoverS] that may have cost them the game.

Does anyone trust that Cutler could have a clean game consistently when it matters most?

If he can learn to play conservative and throw quick short passes and just hand the ball off when he isn't playing well, then maybe we've got a shot with Jay if the defense improves to an adequate enough level. I don't know if I trust Jay doing that though.

Really good stuff BNB. One of the better posts I've seen on this topic. Don't know how people could disagree with it.

I'm not sold on Jay completely, either. But if there's something that gives me hope, it's the 6-game stretch that Cutler put together in 2011 before breaking his thumb on that INT against San Diego.

The yards and completion percentage aren't that important, IMO. What was important was Cutler's 8 TDs and 3 INTs in that span. Bears went 5-1 in that stretch, with the only loss coming on MNF in Detroit in the first game of that series I've mentioned.

8 TDs, 3 INTs in 6 games. That was in the 2nd year under Martz's system and probably the best I'd seen Cutler handle the QB position in Chicago. He made plays when he needed to and took care of the ball in other situations. The Bears also scored 30+ points in four of those games, so it's not like Cutler lack of TD passes were stifling the offense.

I'm hoping a 2nd season in the same system, for a change, will bring out the absolute best in Cutler. Hoping is the operative word there.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

newton is grossly overrated

No, not really.

 

[Scoot26]

in other situations. The Bears also scored 30+ points in four of those games, so it's not like Cutler lack of TD passes were stifling the offense.

I'm hoping a 2nd season in the same system, for a change, will bring out the absolute best in Cutler. Hoping is the operative word there.

That's the only thing I have to go off that maybe Cutler will improve. His second season in Martz's system he took care of the football a lot more. His TD's were down too, but the Bears were still winning.

Of course you could argue they didn't exactly play good teams down that stretch.

They played a terrible Vikings team and spanked the crap out of them

Played the Bucs who were 4-2, but then didn't win another game all year.

Played an inconsistent Eagles team.

Rematch against the Lions and Cutler really didn't have to do anything as the defense caused turnovers for short fields, scored two TDs themselves and Hester returned another one. Offense totaled only 16 of the 37 points in that game.

Beat an inconsistent Chargers team.

But that said, the schedule going down the stretch was easy as well with only Green Bay really scaring anyone.

 

[ijustposthere]

For a good steak all you should need is a knife and a fork

Don't forget a bit of salt and pepper for seasoning. I would never put anything else on a good steak. Now my mouths watering.

 

[Broc]

No. My point is that all the people who were saying "Cutler is better option than anyone you're going to get with the 14th pick", or "none of the college QBs we would get are going to be worth it", or a variation of that comment, are extremely short-sighted. The truth is that it doesn't necessarily have to be a first rounder at all.

LOL you talk like it's some guaranteed lock the Bears would wind up drafting the leagues next QB superstar...

Yes it's hypothetically possible they could draft the next Brady in the 6th or the next Wilson or Kap in the 2nd or 3rd but there's no guarantee. They could just as likely draft someone completely average, another Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton who never lives up to your lofty expectations and becomes another NFL journeyman and wastes the next 3 years anyways...

You can cry about the extension all you want and call the people who defend it "short sighted" but I'd argue that putting all your eggs in the rookie QB basket as you seem to advocate and praying that you hit the jackpot on the draft slot machine because your jealous of the other teams that got lucky is equally as short sighted an laughably moronic.

I don't blame Phil at all for covering his ass with Cutler. He bought himself 3 more years to draft and develop a new QB to take over. I'm sure he'll probably end up drafting one this year to develop so I don't know why you feel the need to continually cry about it. It might not be in the first round but again, does it really matter since we can simply draft the next Tom Brady in the 6th right?

 

[Bearly]

Picks are part of the passer rating formula of good vs bad. It's not an end all but at least it's unbiased and there's good and bad luck with picks on a game by game basis. Evens out over time but short streaks without them isn't all that telling. Rivers, Rodgers, Foles and Smith haven't thrown a Pick and played better overall than Brady Wilson and Kaepernick who did throw a pick. There's a lot that goes into it including what happened in Luck's 1st game. I'd take it. I'm not saying Jay doesn't throw too many, he does but it's a bit overstated.

 

[bearmick]

LOL you talk like it's some guaranteed lock the Bears would wind up drafting the leagues next QB superstar...

No, I'm saying it's feasible to get one that can be successful, not a lock to get the next superstar.

Why must you always take things to the absolute extremes with your straw men? You are truly CCS' undisputed king of hyperbole.

 

[nwfisch]

Great thread bearmick :clap:

Just goes to show that the proverbial "franchise" QB can be found anywhere in the draft and don't have to be paid $54M for one playoff win against a sub-500 team.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Great thread bearmick :clap:

Just goes to show that the proverbial "franchise" QB can be found anywhere in the draft and don't have to be paid $54M for one playoff win against a sub-500 team.

Or that you need not be afraid to move on from a bum who never wins. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to a **** Jay Cutler t-shirt with blood on it.

 

[Broc]

Why must you always take things to the absolute extremes with your straw men?

Because it's the most fun way to counter your extreme whining.

No, I'm saying it's feasible to get one that can be successful, not a lock to get the next superstar.

LOL, no fucking shit it's "feasible". It's also feasible they could draft a complete bum or that Cutler improves in his 2nd year with Trestman so what the **** is the point of all this whining about exactly? Do you have a QB in particular you want this team to draft? All season long you hid behind the "I trust Trestman and Phil to make the decision" bullshit excuse, and now that they made the first part of that decision by re-signing Cutler suddenly now you're panties are all in a bunch because they didn't do what you wanted them to do lol.

If you actually have a QB in mind here by all means please speak up. If not then just STFU about it and let the draft play out since you trust Trestman and Phil so much. Like I said, I imagine they'll draft a QB at some point so I don't see what the **** your problem is here. You'll get your new QB to verbally fellate for the next 3+ years. It's just a matter of when.

 

[bearmick]

Yes, I have several QBs in mind. We've discussed this year's rookie class at length on many occasions. Honestly, as inconsistent and mentally atrocious as Cutler is, coupled with what a mentally stronger QB like McCown can do in Trestman's offense despite not having the physical talent, I wouldn't be surprised if all of the first 6-8 QBs drafted would be a better option than Jay.
The point is that Cutler isn't a winner and never will be. You can keep talking about Cutler improving next year just like Cutler supporters said last year, and the year before that, and the year before that ..... but he is who he is.

 

[iBearsLX]

Yes, lets go and draft a quarterback in the third round. Hall of Famer for sure.

 

[Bearly]

I like Mttenberger, Murray and Fales for mid rounders. Hope we can get one.

 

[Ari Bear]

are not first round picks. They are 2nd, 3rd and 6th round picks. And outside of Peyton, look at all the highest drafted QBs this weekend ...

Luck (#1 overall) - beaten by 6th round pick
Newton (#1 overall) - beaten by 2nd round pick

Even Brees, who himself was not a #1 pick but is an elite QB, was beaten by a team with a 3rd round pick.

But #14 overall in the first round isn't high enough to get a QB you can win with?

Kaep and Wilson have a great team around them, Luck does not. This is not a one on one player sport. If Luck could switch spots with either Kaep or Wilson, Luck would be playing next Sunday and the other would be sitting home.

 

[Bearin' Down]

Yes, I have several QBs in mind. We've discussed this year's rookie class at length on many occasions. Honestly, as inconsistent and mentally atrocious as Cutler is, coupled with what a mentally stronger QB like McCown can do in Trestman's offense despite not having the physical talent, I wouldn't be surprised if all of the first 6-8 QBs drafted would be a better option than Jay.
The point is that Cutler isn't a winner and never will be. You can keep talking about Cutler improving next year just like Cutler supporters said last year, and the year before that, and the year before that ..... but he is who he is.

I think it's funny that you called out broc for his infatuation with hyperbole, but ignore your own. First, Cutler's winning percentage is .538. While not great, its above .500 and constitutes a winning quarterback. Second, it's asinine to think Cutler cannot help us win a Superbowl. He's certainly capable of producing at the same level as Joe Flacco.

Third, to insinuate that Cutler is inadequate because he is not a winner ignores the realities of football. It is a team sport. Each player dependent on the collective whole of players. Cutler's first three years here were marked with an offensive unit that had absolutely no talent, outside of Cutler and Forte. This was coupled with insane play calling, and out of touch coaches. Cutler's fourth year here, was marked with perhaps the worst offensive coordinator the Bears have had. The team came in totally unprepared for games, and it showed. The offensive line was also atrocious. This past year we finally got someone in here that understood the offense. We developed Alshon Jeffery, and we made significant changes on the o-line, coming in with 4 new starters. While the stats may be similar, the team scored over 29 points per game with Cutler as the starter.

Finally, even if Cutler stays par for the course, his par is not terrible. Instead, if this team were left up to you, we would have let him go, creating an unnecessary, and GIGANTIC, hole on our team, which we would have to address, despite the millions of other holes we have on defense. I think if you look at the QB situation objectively, you'll find that you are far being a little to hard headed in one direction.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Another stat. Only 1 heisman winning qb has won a playoff game in the last 20 years

 

[1ke]

Jeebus man..... Just stop already.

 

[willynowei]

are not first round picks. They are 2nd, 3rd and 6th round picks. And outside of Peyton, look at all the highest drafted QBs this weekend ...

Luck (#1 overall) - beaten by 6th round pick
Newton (#1 overall) - beaten by 2nd round pick

Even Brees, who himself was not a #1 pick but is an elite QB, was beaten by a team with a 3rd round pick.

But #14 overall in the first round isn't high enough to get a QB you can win with?

There are great quarterbacks drafted in rounds later than the first, and we will have at least 1 shot along with 32 other teams to find the next Russell Wilson or Tom Brady, and therefore we should focus on finding said quarterback instead of frivolous spending! Brilliant logic!

Hey man, i have an even better idea, lets not draft one at all, Kurt Warner was bagging groceries, lets just go to all the supermarkets out there and start looking, i bet there's a better quarterback than Jay.

 

[willynowei]

Yes, I have several QBs in mind. We've discussed this year's rookie class at length on many occasions. Honestly, as inconsistent and mentally atrocious as Cutler is, coupled with what a mentally stronger QB like McCown can do in Trestman's offense despite not having the physical talent, I wouldn't be surprised if all of the first 6-8 QBs drafted would be a better option than Jay.
The point is that Cutler isn't a winner and never will be. You can keep talking about Cutler improving next year just like Cutler supporters said last year, and the year before that, and the year before that ..... but he is who he is.

It is widely believed that Cutler would've received more guaranteed money on the open market (had he pushed for it) than his current contract. In addition, both Emery and Trestman have demonstrated unwavering support and belief in him through his resigning and the benching of McCown.

What does it say about your football evaluation ability, and the "6-8" number you threw out of your ass, when you proclaim with certainty an opinion that is at such odds with these accomplished professionals, who have forgotten more things about football than you will ever know?

You proclaim to be objective but your opinions paint the picture of someone deluded in a fantasy of blaming individual players for the failures of an organization.

 

[DaaBears]

It is widely believed that Cutler would've received more guaranteed money on the open market (had he pushed for it) than his current contract. In addition, both Emery and Trestman have demonstrated unwavering support and belief in him through his resigning and the benching of McCown.

What does it say about your football evaluation ability, and the "6-8" number you threw out of your ass, when your opinion is at such odds with these accomplished men, who have forgotten more things about football than you will ever know?

You proclaim to be objective but your opinions paint the picture of someone deluded in a fantasy of blaming individual players for the failures of an organization.

Let's not get too carried away with our leadership quite yet. Phil Emery was nothing more than a scout in the NFL from 2004 - 2011. The highest level Trestman ever attained in the NFL was offensive coordinator twice, and both times he was fired after one year. There is no indication or proof that these 2 guys are capable of filling the roles of General Manager and Head Coach yet.