3 of the 4 remaining QBs

[ShiftyDevil]

Holy ****, we had the 2nd ranked scoring offense in the NFL, and our defense was a god damn mess.

Our offense is fine, even if Cutler is just OK the rest of the offense is so damn good it doesn't matter; need to invest picks in the D so badly that drafting a Cutler replacement should be a low priority right now.

 

[bearmick]

Personally, I hate the whole, "They're in the NFL! They know more than you!" shit.

Josh McDaniels is in the NFL. When he thought it was a good move to draft Tim Tebow in the first round, should no fan have questioned that move or called it stupid? I mean, McDaniels was an offensive genius in New England. Clearly he knew more than any fan.

Or how about when the Jets gave Mark Sanchez an extension and a bunch of fans laughed at them. Who are fans to laugh? Their GM and Rex Ryan knew what they had in Sanchez. Wtf does anyone else know?

It's a really weak argument, I agree.

 

[bearmick]

Holy ****, we had the 2nd ranked scoring offense in the NFL, and our defense was a god damn mess.

Our offense is fine, even if Cutler is just OK the rest of the offense is so damn good it doesn't matter

Not when it comes to turnovers. It doesn't matter how good your offense is when the QB makes terrible decisions and melts down in big games.

On an offense such as this one, I would much rather have a careful, smart QB whose limitations are physical, than a QB with a huge arm whose limitations are mental (and more liable to lose you a game).

 

[ShiftyDevil]

Not when it comes to turnovers. It doesn't matter how good your offense is when the QB makes terrible decisions and melts down in big games.

On an offense such as this one, I would much rather have a careful, smart QB whose limitations are physical, than a QB with a huge arm whose limitations are mental (and more liable to lose you a game).

2nd ranked scoring offense with even a mediocre defense will overcome turn over issues.

Not like Cutler is Eli Manning

 

[bearmick]

I don't think we had the second ranked scoring offense (i know our team as a whole scored the second most points), but regardless, we'll just have to wait and see I guess. I'm not optimistic.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

are not first round picks. They are 2nd, 3rd and 6th round picks. And outside of Peyton, look at all the highest drafted QBs this weekend ...

Luck (#1 overall) - beaten by 6th round pick
Newton (#1 overall) - beaten by 2nd round pick

Even Brees, who himself was not a #1 pick but is an elite QB, was beaten by a team with a 3rd round pick.

But #14 overall in the first round isn't high enough to get a QB you can win with?

Forgive me if you already answered this...I have no desire to read through the entire thread. So you're suggesting we should have let Cutler go and draft someone with the 14th pick? Who would we pick that's better at 14?

 

[bearmick]

Yes, we have indeed gone over the draft class to a painstaking degree numerous times, no that wasn't my point in this thread, and yes I forgive you.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Holy ****, we had the 2nd ranked scoring offense in the NFL, and our defense was a god damn mess.

Our offense is fine, even if Cutler is just OK the rest of the offense is so damn good it doesn't matter; need to invest picks in the D so badly that drafting a Cutler replacement should be a low priority right now.

Check your facts, Shiftster, Bears did NOT have the second ranked scoring offense. And the offense scored more with McCown. With Cutler, the scoring was average. Remember if you want to talk about scoring offenses, then you don't count defensive and special teams scoring.

 

[ThaGator]

Lol @ "Quarterback wins"


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[BaBaBlacksheep]

Yes, we have indeed gone over the draft class to a painstaking degree numerous times, no that wasn't my point in this thread, and yes I forgive you.

Well that'll teach me to try and get a real answer to a simple question.

 

[dabears253313]

I like Mttenberger, Murray and Fales for mid rounders. Hope we can get one.

Either of them would be nice.

 

[bearmick]

Well that'll teach me to try and get a real answer to a simple question.

I just re-read your previous post to double check. The only question you asked is one which 1) was never the point of this thread, and 2) has been discussed at length in about 40 other threads. I wasn't trying to be rude, but if you admittedly can't be bothered reading the thread, why should I be bothered repeating myself yet again? My opinion of what I thought the Bears should do at the QB position is an answer that takes a lengthy paragraph, and I've answered it dozens of times before. I'm not going to retype the whole thing out yet again, especially not in a thread that isn't even about which QB the Bears should (or shouldn't) take at 14.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I just re-read your previous post to double check. The only question you asked is one which 1) was never the point of this thread, and 2) has been discussed at length in about 40 other threads. I wasn't trying to be rude, but if you admittedly can't be bothered reading the thread, why should I be bothered repeating myself yet again? My opinion of what I thought the Bears should do at the QB position is an answer that takes a lengthy paragraph, and I've answered it dozens of times before. I'm not going to retype the whole thing out yet again, especially not in a thread that isn't even about which QB the Bears should (or shouldn't) take at 14.

I don't even know why I tried. I expected this type of answer.

 

[bearmick]

I don't even know why I tried. I expected this type of answer.

Answer to what?

 

[onebud34]

Personally, I hate the whole, "They're in the NFL! They know more than you!" shit.

Josh McDaniels is in the NFL. When he thought it was a good move to draft Tim Tebow in the first round, should no fan have questioned that move or called it stupid? I mean, McDaniels was an offensive genius in New England. Clearly he knew more than any fan.

Or how about when the Jets gave Mark Sanchez an extension and a bunch of fans laughed at them. Who are fans to laugh? Their GM and Rex Ryan knew what they had in Sanchez. Wtf does anyone else know?

I have to believe it's a troll tactic. I mean really...who in their right mind would say...(insert NFL exec or head coach) is in the NFL so I have to agree with their decision?

Maybe those working for them, but I doubt anyone takes much time to read a mb to take the time to reply.

 

[jsu34]

Maybe I misunderstood the OP's initial post that started all of this discussion, but it sounded to me as if it was against drafting a QB early in the draft, which would mean that the initial focus is still on defensive players. I don't know why this turned into a "we need a QB, no we don't" discussion after reading that. His point was outside of Manning the others were not first round picks, meaning the bears should be fine with Cutler as long as they fix the D.

I didn't read all of the discussions after the first page, but I think that's what was meant and not all of the "draft a qb early to win" talk.

 

[bubbashucker]

Maybe I misunderstood the OP's initial post that started all of this discussion, but it sounded to me as if it was against drafting a QB early in the draft, which would mean that the initial focus is still on defensive players. I don't know why this turned into a "we need a QB, no we don't" discussion after reading that. His point was outside of Manning the others were not first round picks, meaning the bears should be fine with Cutler as long as they fix the D.

I didn't read all of the discussions after the first page, but I think that's what was meant and not all of the "draft a qb early to win" talk.

No it is just mick getting on the "we should not have signed Cutler" wagon again.

His argument is, and has been, that since 3 of the 4 QB's remaining in this year's playoffs were taken beyond the 1st round, there is a 75% chance that the Bears could get a QB better than Cutler at pick #14.

There have been numerous threads about this subject, and I fear that this one is headed that way, if it has ntot already (admitting, I have not read all 9 pages).

The problem is his thinking is he is not looking at the correct pool of players to compare. it is not the three of 4 remaining, it is all the QB's taken outside of the first round. These guys, especially Brady, are the exception to the rule.

That being said, let's see what these three stud QB's have done in this year's playoffs:

Kaepernick: 31/58 for 58% comp - 2 TD vs 1 Int and a 81.3 rating
Brady: 13/25 for 52% - 0/0 TD/INT for a 78.4 rating
Wilson: 9/18 for 50% - 0/0 for a 67 rating

To even suggest that these three guys had ANYTHING to do with their respective team's winning is just plain stupid.

the average points against for these teams so far in the playoffs is 16.8. Why? Because they played great defense. All the more reason to take Defense with our top pick(s)

It is just a ridiculous argument built around a pretty obvious agenda.

 

[PrideisBears]

Im about to make this the music thread. Mick im sure you will create another thread bitching about Cutler down the line (probably tomorrow)

 

[Sculpt]

We just signed Cutler to a 6 year contract. If you go by that in a vacuum, if there was ever a year we could skip drafting a QB it's 2014.


However, looking at the big picture, it's not that simple...

1. QBs Get Injured. Cutler could get injured Game 1 2014 for half the year, or permanently injured Game 1.

2. We have no backup. McCown is a question mark. He may retire. And there's some bizarre rule that every team can offer McCown more than Vet Min we paid him BEFORE we can offer him more $. And how many teams would like to have McCown? A lot.

3. Draft QBs Hit-or-Miss. A drafted QB, even in the top of the draft, is hit and miss. Meaning, you often have to take a more than 1 try at drafting a franchise QB.

4. Franchise QBs Need To Be Developed. It usually takes years to develop a franchise QB (IE Rogers). Yes, there are exceptions to the rule, and twice as many rookie "Marc Bulgars" who get destroyed by being feed to the wolves, instead of being developed.

5. We have FA and 6-7 draft picks every year. Some of our defensive upgrades are in FA. Not true for a QB.


MEANING: Every draft, including 2014, until we find a franchise QB to replace Cutler, we need to look to draft & develop new franchise QBs. And having Trestman & Cavanaugh on the staff is the time to draft & develop QBs.

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[Warrior Spirit]

We just signed Cutler to a 6 year contract. If you go by that in a vacuum, if there was ever a year we could skip drafting a QB it's 2014.


However, looking at the big picture, it's not that simple...

1. QBs Get Injured. Cutler could get injured Game 1 2014 for half the year, or permanently injured Game 1.

2. We have no backup. McCown is a question mark. He may retire. And there's some bizarre rule that every team can offer McCown more than Vet Min we paid him BEFORE we can offer him more $. And how many teams would like to have McCown? A lot.

3. Draft QBs Hit-or-Miss. A drafted QB, even in the top of the draft, is hit and miss. Meaning, you often have to take a more than 1 try at drafting a franchise QB.

4. Franchise QBs Need To Be Developed. It usually takes years to develop a franchise QB (IE Rogers). Yes, there are exceptions to the rule, and twice as many rookie "Marc Bulgars" who get destroyed by being feed to the wolves, instead of being developed.

5. We have FA and 6-7 draft picks every year. Some of our defensive upgrades are in FA. Not true for a QB.


MEANING: Every draft, including 2014, until we find a franchise QB to replace Cutler, we need to look to draft & develop new franchise QBs. And having Trestman & Cavanaugh on the staff is the time to draft & develop QBs.

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McCown has already said he is not retiring. Franchise QBs usually start right away and many have had immediate success so no cause for 3 years of developing. packers didn't get Rodgers to sit on the bench that long, Favre was just going into that I'm retiring/I'm not retiring mode. And you can't keep drafting QBs until you find your franchise QB when they're not being given playing time. It doesn't work like that.