A defensive rebuild.

[Kool-Jet13]

The Blackhawks' management has secured a way to look at the future for the team in it's defense system. How it will be utilized, that is the question?

 

[Tater]

A 35 year old Jack Johnson is a "key piece"?

A piece of what?

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm going to hope from more of this horrible writing that English isn't your first language? Or you are an AI experiment

 

[Bigfoot]

A 35 year old Jack Johnson is a "key piece"?

A piece of what?

I’m not sure what key piece he is as well. Placeholder absolutely, veteran to help Vlasic and Regula absolutely.

 

[Ares]

The Chicago Blackhawks haven't been competitive since Marian Hossa retired.

They need an entirely clean slate.

Turns out Toews/Kane were both terrific hockey players, but neither one had the leadership chops to set the example like Hossa did.

Rebuilding "defensively" sounds dumb to me, the Hawks always had terrific defense due to max effort, like when they won a Cup on basically 4 D men who shut down almost everything in front of them.

Find talented guys who actually wanna put in the work, they'll pay dividends a thousandfold compared to the flashy fucks.

But also do find at least 1 Kaner who can dangle like a mfer.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

The Chicago Blackhawks haven't been competitive since Marian Hossa retired.

They need an entirely clean slate.

Turns out Toews/Kane were both terrific hockey players, but neither one had the leadership chops to set the example like Hossa did.

Rebuilding "defensively" sounds dumb to me, the Hawks always had terrific defense due to max effort, like when they won a Cup on basically 4 D men who shut down almost everything in front of them.

Find talented guys who actually wanna put in the work, they'll pay dividends a thousandfold compared to the flashy fucks.

But also do find at least 1 Kaner who can dangle like a mfer.

Toews didn’t have the leadership chops Hossa had, but yet Toews was ranked the best captain in the NHL for years before his injuries and Covid. Ares you are well respected around these parts, but comments like Toews and or Kane can’t set an example like Hossa is a joke comment. Rebuilding defensively is dumb, ok man, stick to the NFL its more for you, no disrespect.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

A 35 year old Jack Johnson is a "key piece"?

A piece of what?

 

[Ares]

Toews didn’t have the leadership chops Hossa had, but yet Toews was ranked the best captain in the NHL for years before his injuries and Covid. Ares you are well respected around these parts, but comments like Toews and or Kane can’t set an example like Hossa is a joke comment. Rebuilding defensively is dumb, ok man, stick to the NFL its more for you, no disrespect.

I am very sorry my personal opinions about the Hawks are so upsetting I must "stick to the NFL".

You know you could respectfully disagree with me and just offer your own differing opinion and why you see it the way you do.

I might read your thoughts and change my mind.

Instead you attacked me for merely offering my thoughts and told me to stick to another subject, as if you have some authority on when/where anyone is allowed to express their opinions.

Odd way to conduct yourself.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I am very sorry my personal opinions about the Hawks are so upsetting I must "stick to the NFL".

You know you could respectfully disagree with me and just offer your own differing opinion and why you see it the way you do.

I might read your thoughts and change my mind.

Instead you attacked me for merely offering my thoughts and told me to stick to another subject, as if you have some authority on when/where anyone is allowed to express their opinions.

Odd way to conduct yourself.

Don’t worry about it, there are a half dozen of em in here that will argue with nonsense for I don’t know what?

 

[Ares]

Don’t worry about it, there are a half dozen of em in here that will argue with nonsense for I don’t know what?

I think Hossa's hard work ethic was what drove our defensive success, and rebuilding "defensively" is stupid because you should target that Hossa-like work ethic instead.

This kind of nuance is beyond some people to grasp, much less grasp, disagree, and then articulate their disagreement in an empathetic way that encourages discourse rather than hostility.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I think Hossa's hard work ethic was what drove our defensive success, and rebuilding "defensively" is stupid because you should target that Hossa-like work ethic instead.

This kind of nuance is beyond some people to grasp, much less grasp, disagree, and then articulate their disagreement in an empathetic way that encourages discourse rather than hostility.

I don’t want to take away from young captain Toews to compliment Hossa who deserved a top 100 affirmation, IMO.

Hossa was the man. Maybe the best player in the team, the most complete player!

The defense is already rebuilt. I didn’t actually agree with the Boqvist jettison, I felt we never used him properly which was as a third pairing sparing power play stud who got bumped upward when you were down a goal late.

The minutes we asked if him, pairing him with Keith, were outrageous mistakes.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Don’t worry about it, there are a half dozen of em in here that will argue with nonsense for I don’t know what?

Oh look at you, you should be the first to comment on such a subject.,nonsense, that’s about 3/4 of your posts.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

I think Hossa's hard work ethic was what drove our defensive success, and rebuilding "defensively" is stupid because you should target that Hossa-like work ethic instead.

This kind of nuance is beyond some people to grasp, much less grasp, disagree, and then articulate their disagreement in an empathetic way that encourages discourse rather than hostility.

Did you not say, Toews and Kane did not have the leadership chops like Hossa? What are you basing that on, your own opinion? Hossa was an all around talent, let’s not forget if he was such a great leader he would of not played for hmmm Ottawa, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Detroit and finally Chicago. If you told me Seabrook was the real leader of the Hawks then, I would certainly have nothing to argue about. But your basing your opinions on nothing except your own insight. I am not creating hostility with you Ares, when someone says building defensivly is dumb, how do you want me to respond, because I guess Tampas defence or Colorado‘s defence or St.Louis Defence or that of Washington’s defence was so dumb or the Penguins defence was so dumb it had nothing to do with them winning Championship, Work ethic alone is not enough, you need talent, draft talent teach and groom talent, but hey, building defence is dumb, just ask the Oilers how dumb it is with all there cups recently.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Did you not say, Toews and Kane did not have the leadership chops like Hossa? What are you basing that on, your own opinion? Hossa was an all around talent, let’s not forget if he was such a great leader he would of not played for hmmm Ottawa, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Detroit and finally Chicago. If you told me Seabrook was the real leader of the Hawks then, I would certainly have nothing to argue about. But your basing your opinions on nothing except your own insight. I am not creating hostility with you Ares, when someone says building defensivly is dumb, how do you want me to respond, because I guess Tampas defence or Colorado‘s defence or St.Louis Defence or that of Washington’s defence was so dumb or the Penguins defence was so dumb it had nothing to do with them winning Championship, Work ethic alone is not enough, you need talent, draft talent teach and groom talent, but hey, building defence is dumb, just ask the Oilers how dumb it is with all there cups recently.

Yeah…clubhouse cancer destroying his reputation by going to the Stanley Cup every year with Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Chicago.

Case in point @Ares

 

[Bigfoot]

Me and @Ares have had many conversations on Hossa and what he meant to this club via is relentless ability to play defence as a forward. It is something I tell my own sons who play, but also kids I coach what it means and takes to be a 2 way Forward.

 

[Granada]

Toews didn’t have the leadership chops Hossa had, but yet Toews was ranked the best captain in the NHL for years before his injuries and Covid. Ares you are well respected around these parts, but comments like Toews and or Kane can’t set an example like Hossa is a joke comment. Rebuilding defensively is dumb, ok man, stick to the NFL its more for you, no disrespect.

I feel like it's easy for people to shit on Toews after the last few years. It's always "what have you done for me lately," even if it's on a subconscious level, because it's easy to forget what that dude accomplished at the age he accomplished it, even dating back to Juniors; how truly fucking clutch he was in the biggest of moments, arguably more-so than Hossa ever was. Many did the same thing with Seabrook near the end. And Keith.

But with Hossa, it's different because he essentially retired while still "on top," playing-wise.

If the argument is, you should draft players who are superstars, who have great work ethic, and who play two-way games -- well, no shit.

If the argument is that Hossa was the better "leader" than Toews -- well, that's impossible to gage considering none of us have ever been in the room and convenient to say considering what's transpired over the last few years, which Hossa was obviously not around for by the way. But in my opinion, I'd say it's silly to suggest that -- and that's coming from someone who has heavily criticized Toews' leadership over the last couple seasons.

Even with his recent comments -- which I've spoken out against many times -- Toews is the best captain in this franchise's history. How anyone can suggest otherwise is batshit to me, but to each their own.

 

[Ares]

Me and @Ares have had many conversations on Hossa and what he meant to this club via is relentless ability to play defence as a forward. It is something I tell my own sons who play, but also kids I coach what it means and takes to be a 2 way Forward.

I just think he really imbued those teams with the work ethic they ended up lacking in the non-Hossa years.

Methinks it'll be a very long road back to actually competing in the playoffs again for the Hawks.

 

[Diehardfan]

Did you not say, Toews and Kane did not have the leadership chops like Hossa? What are you basing that on, your own opinion? Hossa was an all around talent, let’s not forget if he was such a great leader he would of not played for hmmm Ottawa, Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Detroit and finally Chicago. If you told me Seabrook was the real leader of the Hawks then, I would certainly have nothing to argue about. But your basing your opinions on nothing except your own insight. I am not creating hostility with you Ares, when someone says building defensivly is dumb, how do you want me to respond, because I guess Tampas defence or Colorado‘s defence or St.Louis Defence or that of Washington’s defence was so dumb or the Penguins defence was so dumb it had nothing to do with them winning Championship, Work ethic alone is not enough, you need talent, draft talent teach and groom talent, but hey, building defence is dumb, just ask the Oilers how dumb it is with all there cups recently.

Yeah…clubhouse cancer destroying his reputation by going to the Stanley Cup every year with Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Chicago.


This might be the single dumbest response I've ever seen on CCS. Sarcastic or not there is zero inference to "clubhouse cancer" regarding any of the players in question made by @hawkinmontreal....which makes it a senseless response. It was good for a laugh though.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Yeah…clubhouse cancer destroying his reputation by going to the Stanley Cup every year with Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Chicago.

Case in point @Ares

Oh look you found a friend, and did I ever say Hossa was a clubhouse cancer, no I did not, but great leaders don’t go from team to team, and yes he made the cup finals with Detroit and Pitts but he lost, so telling me that, is irrelevant to this conversation. I have the outmost respect for Hossa, he was elite, one of the best 2 way players in the game, if not for him the Hawks don’t win 3 cups, but don’t tell me Kane and Toews didnt have the chops to be a leader like him, that’s a load of shit.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Yeah…clubhouse cancer destroying his reputation by going to the Stanley Cup every year with Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Chicago.


This might be the single dumbest response I've ever seen on CCS. Sarcastic or not there is zero inference to "clubhouse cancer" regarding any of the players in question made by @hawkinmontreal....which makes it a senseless response. It was good for a laugh though.

Yup Diehard, when I read the response I just shook my head, but I have come to realize that is Rask for you a whole lot of senseless responses.