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Kind of strange to see this huh?
Kind of strange to see this huh?
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Really strange...
Hope it works out 4 em, wish em the best.
Man 1st BG now Captain Kirk? At least we still got Deng.
I miss BG :dry:
Hope it works out 4 em, wish em the best.
Man 1st BG now Captain Kirk? At least we still got Deng.
I miss BG :dry:
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it's so very wrong, but it seems so very right.
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ill miss kirk, but i will not miss the headaches. too often were there more headaches than anything else.
ill miss kirk, but i will not miss the headaches. too often were there more headaches than anything else.
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yeah. i feel the same way for some reason. i liked kirk, but i hated his contract. also i hated the missed open shots and layups. i hope watson will be a good replacement.
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To me, that's almost as hard to look at as BG in a Pistons jersey. But I'll get over it, he's someone else's problem now and we will no longer have to hear complaints about his play which is nice. I wouldn't be surprised if Watson does exactly what Kirk did a couple years ago (like 10 points, 4 assists, 1.3 steals, about 40% from 3) and gets lots of love due to his having a lower contract.
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Neither is really that hard for me to look at because they had to go, in my opinion. That said. if the contract was the only issue, maybe, just maybe, that would explain some of the b.s. concerning his play.
But the reason every bad game was cited, every positive quote about him lambasted, and every negative in his game exaggerated was because people simply didn't like him. People need to take up knitting or something. Just as I didn't understand people booing Gordon when he returned, I never understood the issue with Hinrich. He accepted a contract that overpaid him. He didn't live up to expectations. However, he is a skilled player who played hard every night from what I saw, and though he was a disappointment, I knew and appreciated what he brought to the team. The anti-Hinrich stuff was just way over the top, and unnecessary. Blame the front office for the bad contract. Don't blame Hinrich for taken it...
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Really, are you serious? He was the Bulls Player of the Decade. What "anti-Hinrich" movement are you talking about? It's not "anti-Hinrich" to call him what he was: a completely overrated, average NBA guard. And you don't have to worry about him being booed, I can guarantee it. He'll get a standing O, with Neil Funk leading the cheers. Check out Sam's mailbag after he was traded. The vast majority of Bulls fans love the guy. Besides myself, I never heard anyone really criticize Hinrich until I listened to Kush's show. Just look at how he was handled last year...despite his horrible shooting at the beginning of last year, Salmons got all the blame, and fans were calling for Kirk to start, despite John's better shooting numbers. We were forced to read "Glue" articles and hear Funk shower love on him all year. He was also the primary reason why Skiles was fired and he of course received none of the blame for it.
I agree he played hard, and I wouldn't bother to boo him because of that fact. I'd only boo a player who didn't play hard. Brewer is an upgrade on both ends of the court. We're a much better team with his dollars going to Brewer and Korver. He looks perfect in a Wizards uniform, and I'm sure they'll win 60 games because of him.
Really, are you serious? He was the Bulls Player of the Decade. What "anti-Hinrich" movement are you talking about? It's not "anti-Hinrich" to call him what he was: a completely overrated, average NBA guard. And you don't have to worry about him being booed, I can guarantee it. He'll get a standing O, with Neil Funk leading the cheers. Check out Sam's mailbag after he was traded. The vast majority of Bulls fans love the guy. Besides myself, I never heard anyone really criticize Hinrich until I listened to Kush's show. Just look at how he was handled last year...despite his horrible shooting at the beginning of last year, Salmons got all the blame, and fans were calling for Kirk to start, despite John's better shooting numbers. We were forced to read "Glue" articles and hear Funk shower love on him all year. He was also the primary reason why Skiles was fired and he of course received none of the blame for it.
I agree he played hard, and I wouldn't bother to boo him because of that fact. I'd only boo a player who didn't play hard. Brewer is an upgrade on both ends of the court. We're a much better team with his dollars going to Brewer and Korver. He looks perfect in a Wizards uniform, and I'm sure they'll win 60 games because of him.
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Fred wrote:
BTW, get ready for tons of praise for Kirk helping out John Wall become a star. To Kirk's credit, he rightly called his mentoring of Rose "overblown". Rose would be great with or without Kirk Hinrich, and Wall will be great with or without Kirk. The greatest help to either player would be someone who can score.
BTW, get ready for tons of praise for Kirk helping out John Wall become a star. To Kirk's credit, he rightly called his mentoring of Rose "overblown". Rose would be great with or without Kirk Hinrich, and Wall will be great with or without Kirk. The greatest help to either player would be someone who can score.
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Who knows maybe we'll have him again after this year for cheap.Or he'll go to some team like the Lakers,Heat,or Celtics....or some really terrible team like the Twolves that always want to add more and more pgs lol
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I don't believe for one minute that Hinrich was the reason for Skiles quitting on the team. That is a fairy tale. 2 beat writers, Hanley and KC Johnson talked about who was behind Skiles' firing. Neither of them said Hinrich.
I have always been for both Hinrich and Gordon leaving. Rose improved after Gordon left, and he will continue to improve after Hinrich leaves. Neither one gets the Bulls any closer to a title. Neither is a top player at his position, or even top 10. And both are overpaid...and overrated. One is skilled and shoots at a low efficiency, the other is one-dimensional and made 60mil for it. Good for them.
Give me Korver, Watson, and Brewer for much cheaper and I will be happy with that.
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he may improve, but he needs help. korver is a scorer, but he's not a starter in the nba. we need a legit wing scorer to pair up with rose. deng is not that guy.
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pinkizdead wrote:
Deng is a better scorer than at least half the second best non-big scorer on the last 10 championship teams. He's clearly better than Artest, Fisher (twice), Jason Williams and Fox. I'd also argue he is a better scorer than Billups was, although obviously Billups brings more to the offense than just scoring.
I really don't think a lack of another wing scorer is what will hold this team back. If Rose becomes a legit super-star we have a chance, if not we don't.
Deng is a better scorer than at least half the second best non-big scorer on the last 10 championship teams. He's clearly better than Artest, Fisher (twice), Jason Williams and Fox. I'd also argue he is a better scorer than Billups was, although obviously Billups brings more to the offense than just scoring.
I really don't think a lack of another wing scorer is what will hold this team back. If Rose becomes a legit super-star we have a chance, if not we don't.
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I think i still have doubts that we're better than orlando, boston, and def miami. Defensively, i'm not worried about our lineup. We have a solid defensive rotation, but i dont think we have a significantly better scoring punch. Boozer has trouble against bigger, tougher guys. Korver is a good addition but he's not a starter. Brewer is an he's improvement over hinrich, but he doesn't add to our 3pt shooting/scoring. Deng can't generate his own shot off the dribble. Yeah he's a great 3rd scoring option, but i'm still worried when relying on boozer and deng to support rose.
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I don't mind Deng as a third option offensively. Again, if he steps back a few feet and can hit a 3pt shot that would be great. Besides injury, there is nothing to worry about.
I have no worries otherwise, the Bulls just acquired a player better than any other player we have had in the last decade besides Rose in Boozer. I temper my anxieties with anticipation for the season. We will all have to wait and see.
That said, Deng's improvements if any of his game may tell the tale as to how the season goes...
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pinkizdead wrote:
We might not be better than those teams, but there were no moves available we could have made that would have made us better either. As soon as LeBron went to Miami we knew it was going to be a tough battle if we're ever to win a championship.
All we can really do is see how the next couple of years play out. Everyone we signed other than Boozer has a team option in 2012, so we'll have a bunch of expiring contracts to use at the 2012 deadline if it looks like things aren't working out.
We might not be better than those teams, but there were no moves available we could have made that would have made us better either. As soon as LeBron went to Miami we knew it was going to be a tough battle if we're ever to win a championship.
All we can really do is see how the next couple of years play out. Everyone we signed other than Boozer has a team option in 2012, so we'll have a bunch of expiring contracts to use at the 2012 deadline if it looks like things aren't working out.
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You said Hinrich was the primary reason Skiles got fired. You are wrong if you think that. Very wrong. Again, ask KC Johnson who it was, I have heard the whole story many times. It was plain and simple what happened. Nobody blames Hinrich for Skiles firing because he was NOT the primary reason for the firing. The idea of it makes no sense whatsoever and is totally groundless...
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Because KC doesn't think he's the primary reason doesn't make it so. Again, Skiles was fired because the team didn't win. Hinrich's collapse in 07-08 was the primary reason for that team not winning. This is backed by statistical fact. KC, on our show during that season, said Luol Deng was the most disappointing player on that team. The stats don't back up that assertion. Kirk Hinrich suffered the greatest percentage collapse from his 06-07 season to 07-08, so please don't tell me the idea is groundless. I have the stats to back me up. Of course all the players deserve blame for that travesty, and the coaching staff. But IMO, it's clear Captain Glue deserved the lion's share, and of course he got none of it.
Wish you would have showed this much love for KC's opinion when he was writing that the Bulls should resign Gordon.
Because KC doesn't think he's the primary reason doesn't make it so. Again, Skiles was fired because the team didn't win. Hinrich's collapse in 07-08 was the primary reason for that team not winning. This is backed by statistical fact. KC, on our show during that season, said Luol Deng was the most disappointing player on that team. The stats don't back up that assertion. Kirk Hinrich suffered the greatest percentage collapse from his 06-07 season to 07-08, so please don't tell me the idea is groundless. I have the stats to back me up. Of course all the players deserve blame for that travesty, and the coaching staff. But IMO, it's clear Captain Glue deserved the lion's share, and of course he got none of it.
Wish you would have showed this much love for KC's opinion when he was writing that the Bulls should resign Gordon.
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Ummmmm...Gordon stats leading up to Skiles' leaving...
38% from the field
34% from 3pt....
You are right, Gordon really did his part to keep Skiles around...