Analytics starting to favor Williams

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It took a while but Caleb Williams' numbers have turned in an analytical sense since the hot streak currently enjoyed by the Bears QB began four games ago.
Now it seems even the analytics are turning in Caleb Williams' favor, after a rough start.

According to NFL NextGen Stats, Williams is avoiding a rookie tendency to check it down too much, even though he obviously has become more aware of the need to do this over the weeks.
Williams is maintaining a strong average intended air yards of 7.7, which ranks 14th in the league. Rookies who become overly cautious after some interceptions tend to rank poorly at this and the offense can bog down into a short passing attack.
At the same time, Williams is not throwing it recklessly. NextGen's aggressiveness ratiomeasures the percentage of times a QB throws into coverage with a defender within a yard or less of the receiver, and Williams has the sixth-lowest percentage at 10.6% He's in good company here as Patrick Mahomes leads the league at 7%, Lamar Jackson is second (8.1%), Trevor Lawrence fourth (10.4%%) and Jared Goff is one spot below Williams at 10.9%.

In terms of expected points added, another favorite metric, Williams has been drastically better over the last four games. Fantasy football writer Marv Elequin has him fifth in expected points added and seventh in percentage rate with positive EPA during that stretch of games, when Williams has obviously improved.
Based on statistics from from Pro.NFL.Com, CHGO's Nick Moreano sees Williams doing things other Bears QBs of recent vintage have failed at miserably and that's throw over the middle. Justin Fields and Mitchell Trubisky struggled with this, anyway.

The site tracks types of routes and completions. On in-breaking routes like posts, crosses, and slants. The site says Williams has 506 passing yards, three touchdowns and 29.4 EPA on those types of routes which is third most in the NFL. They also say he has averaged 10.8 yards per attempt on in-breaking targets, the most by a rookie QB since 2018.
Where Williams is going next with his game is the question everyone would like to know. Considering how he seemingly adds something each week, the good bet is deep throws and completions, in particular to Rome Odunze.
In an article grading all the NFC teams performances to date, analyst Tyler Brooke of The 33rd Team calls it "scary for opponents," because Williams has accomplished what he has yet is still to execute in his greatest strength from college football. That is the deep pass.
"After dominating throws 20-plus yards downfield in college, according to (Pro Football Focus), Williams has just a 44.1 passer rating on the deep ball, completing 22.2 percent of his passes with four interceptions," Brooke wrote.
Williams and Odunze flashed on one deep connection against the Colts in Week 3 but it's been mostly short or intermediate plays so far for them. PFF has Odunze gradedabove only nine other rookie first-round picks this year despite being drafted ninth overall, and he has 17 catches for 246 yards in 31 targets.
The 14.5-yard average is healthy but Odunze looks capable of much more. Slow-going in stats for Odunze at some points seemed almost a natural as Williams has so many options in the offense and has tended in college to distribute the ball to numerous receivers instead of one or two.
 

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Brad Biggs had some CW stats vs the blitz in his article today. The difference between the first 3 games and the last 3 is night and day.

Well yea, he played 3 of the worst defenses in the entire NFL those 3 games. Still impressive but the next step is actually performing against a decent defense(Not just for caleb, but this shitty OL). I still feel like the OL will shit the bed against a good pass rush like the vikings and caleb will revert to rookie mistakes.

Why trading for an edge at this point is dumb when you cant even protect the QB properly

Back on topic tho I believe ESPN said he has less inaccurate throws(5) than TD's(6) the last 2 weeks.
 

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So who are the O linemen out there that we can get? There are some amazing DE's in play but who are the amazing o line guys out there? Real question.
Teller, bitonio, scherff, jedrick wills (honestly not sure at all that he's an upgrade, seems his level of play has dropped drastically the last couple years). I'm sure there's some others and all those guys may not be, but it'd make sense that they are
 

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Brad Biggs had some CW stats vs the blitz in his article today. The difference between the first 3 games and the last 3 is night and day.

More importantly he's doing this all in an NFL offense with full field reads, line calls protection checks and presnap reads.

There's a lot of whispers specifically about how Jayden Daniels is NOT doing any of these things and is basically in his LSU offense with Air Raid additives. There's a lot of talk about how what the Commanders are doing with Daniels is what the Patriots did with Mac Jones and how you may see some quick early success but once defenses start exploiting the limitations of that offense it will not sustain long term success.


I.e. it worked well for the Patriots for one year where he had 3800 yards passing but the TD numbers didn't keep up with that level of production as he only had 22 touchdowns.

Same thing with Daniels he's got a bunch of yards but his passing touchdowns are last in the NFL. Now after being hurt on a scramble it's even more detrimental to his overall success.

You still have to win from the pocket despite how exciting Justin Fields and Jayden Daniels look running.
 

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It took a while but Caleb Williams' numbers have turned in an analytical sense since the hot streak currently enjoyed by the Bears QB began four games ago.
Now it seems even the analytics are turning in Caleb Williams' favor, after a rough start.

According to NFL NextGen Stats, Williams is avoiding a rookie tendency to check it down too much, even though he obviously has become more aware of the need to do this over the weeks.
Williams is maintaining a strong average intended air yards of 7.7, which ranks 14th in the league. Rookies who become overly cautious after some interceptions tend to rank poorly at this and the offense can bog down into a short passing attack.
At the same time, Williams is not throwing it recklessly. NextGen's aggressiveness ratiomeasures the percentage of times a QB throws into coverage with a defender within a yard or less of the receiver, and Williams has the sixth-lowest percentage at 10.6% He's in good company here as Patrick Mahomes leads the league at 7%, Lamar Jackson is second (8.1%), Trevor Lawrence fourth (10.4%%) and Jared Goff is one spot below Williams at 10.9%.

In terms of expected points added, another favorite metric, Williams has been drastically better over the last four games. Fantasy football writer Marv Elequin has him fifth in expected points added and seventh in percentage rate with positive EPA during that stretch of games, when Williams has obviously improved.
Based on statistics from from Pro.NFL.Com, CHGO's Nick Moreano sees Williams doing things other Bears QBs of recent vintage have failed at miserably and that's throw over the middle. Justin Fields and Mitchell Trubisky struggled with this, anyway.

The site tracks types of routes and completions. On in-breaking routes like posts, crosses, and slants. The site says Williams has 506 passing yards, three touchdowns and 29.4 EPA on those types of routes which is third most in the NFL. They also say he has averaged 10.8 yards per attempt on in-breaking targets, the most by a rookie QB since 2018.
Where Williams is going next with his game is the question everyone would like to know. Considering how he seemingly adds something each week, the good bet is deep throws and completions, in particular to Rome Odunze.
In an article grading all the NFC teams performances to date, analyst Tyler Brooke of The 33rd Team calls it "scary for opponents," because Williams has accomplished what he has yet is still to execute in his greatest strength from college football. That is the deep pass.
"After dominating throws 20-plus yards downfield in college, according to (Pro Football Focus), Williams has just a 44.1 passer rating on the deep ball, completing 22.2 percent of his passes with four interceptions," Brooke wrote.
Williams and Odunze flashed on one deep connection against the Colts in Week 3 but it's been mostly short or intermediate plays so far for them. PFF has Odunze gradedabove only nine other rookie first-round picks this year despite being drafted ninth overall, and he has 17 catches for 246 yards in 31 targets.
The 14.5-yard average is healthy but Odunze looks capable of much more. Slow-going in stats for Odunze at some points seemed almost a natural as Williams has so many options in the offense and has tended in college to distribute the ball to numerous receivers instead of one or two.
Wonder how CW compares at this stage of his career to recent young 1st round QBs in their rookie years.
 

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Teller, bitonio, scherff, jedrick wills (honestly not sure at all that he's an upgrade, seems his level of play has dropped drastically the last couple years). I'm sure there's some others and all those guys may not be, but it'd make sense that they are

I'd be okay with teller, pretty sure he'd basically be free this year and cost only like 12m next year.

Not sure why the Browns would do that for a late round pick(4th round or w/e) since theyd have 20m in dead cap next year trading him.
 

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I'd be okay with teller, pretty sure he'd basically be free this year and cost only like 12m next year.

Not sure why the Browns would do that for a late round pick(4th round or w/e) since theyd have 20m in dead cap next year trading him.
Any trade with them likely would require restructuring the contract so the bears take on money. Browns are completely fucked. Idk how they have any option other than to tear everything down.

That gm is getting fired. The only question is does he do the right thing for the franchise on his way out.
 

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More importantly he's doing this all in an NFL offense with full field reads, line calls protection checks and presnap reads.
Fuck the stats. This is what jumps off the eyeball test for me. And it keeps getting better. We got a real one boys.

I was in "the haul" camp. But I'm happy to be wrong. It still may have worked out by stacking this team even more, but there is no way I'd trade out of #1 in retrospect.

Dude is going to be amazing, and we've already seen more command from CW in a handful of games than we saw from JF in 3 seasons.
 

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Fuck the stats. This is what jumps off the eyeball test for me. And it keeps getting better. We got a real one boys.

I was in "the haul" camp. But I'm happy to be wrong. It still may have worked out by stacking this team even more, but there is no way I'd trade out of #1 in retrospect.

Dude is going to be amazing, and we've already seen more command from CW in a handful of games than we saw from JF in 3 seasons.
I'm curious though what in the eyeball test said Justin Fields is near the same level as Caleb Williams has already been at any point?

Because the eyeball test for Russell Wilson this past week on a national TV game said he may be old and run down but he still does things from the pocket better than Justin.

Where is the divergence for you between seeing Caleb Williams do it with a run down Keenan Allen that is going to be fighting to play well with plantar fasciitis that never goes away and a rookie WR who hasn't quite exploded as anticipated for the Bears. What are you seeing?
 

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I'm curious though what in the eyeball test said Justin Fields is near the same level as Caleb Williams has already been at any point?

Because the eyeball test for Russell Wilson this past week on a national TV game said he may be old and run down but he still does things from the pocket better than Justin.

Where is the divergence for you between seeing Caleb Williams do it with a run down Keenan Allen that is going to be fighting to play well with plantar fasciitis that never goes away and a rookie WR who hasn't quite exploded as anticipated for the Bears. What are you seeing?
I think it's just an overall command at the LOS. Having the ability to diagnose and adjust to what the defense presents. JF is an incredible athlete. But CWs processing is on a whole different level from what I've seen so far.
 

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Wonder how CW compares at this stage of his career to recent young 1st round QBs in their rookie years.
Incomplete data because of the difference between what the Bears are asking him to do vs what the Patriots asked Mac Jones to do.

Jones 3800 yards as a rookie 22 touchdowns scaled back offense.

CJ Stroud full offense much like Caleb Williams and a ton of success.

Caleb Williams started slow but it's starting to click because he's getting comfortable in the full scheme of the offense.

I'm truly curious to see how much he continues to grow as the teams get better.

The true mental aspect of the game will be him digesting everything and not a watered down offense.
 

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