Another Draft Day Trade?

[Rose1]

Bulls: Steve Blake, Chris Kaman, Blazers 24th pick


Clippers: Travis Outlaw, Tyrus Thomas


[color=]Blazers: Kirk Hinrich, Bulls 16th pick[/color]



Bulls: Chicago adds the missing piece in Kaman. He will give us a rare scoring inside when the outside shot isn't falling. Also, Steve Blake is a nice backup at the point guard. He won't hurt his team by turning the ball over but he's limited on the offensive end. Though, he's a nice passer.

Clippers: Travis Outlaw gives them one of the best SF positions in the league. Him and Thornton are an nice combo when it comes to scoring, athleticism, and defense. Also, Tyrus Thomas give them someone that will run the floor and play defense. Unlike Zach whom doesn't do neither. The automatically solidify both positions with depth and need.


Blazers: Hinrich has been off due to the injury and Rose emergence this season but don't be fooled. He came on strong in the playoffs and will return to his norm once playing alongside Roy. They potentially both complements each other. Hinrich is deadly from long range and he plays tough defense. Hinrich also upgrades Blazers point position on every level when you contrast him and Blake. Hinrich will better prosper in a situation built more in his favor ans that's the Blazers. He might be the missing piece to get them over the hump - that and young Blazers growth. Last, the 16th pick can benefit them too, since the draft has been their calling card to success.

 

[rosefromconcrete]

kaman is not the missing piece. Hes not even good. This trade makes us worse

 

[Rose1]

PG: Rose - Blake
SG: Gordon - Salmons
SF: Deng - Salmons
PF: Noah - Daye(24th pick)
C: Kaman - Miller

 

[Rose1]

rosefromconcrete wrote:

kaman is not the missing piece. Hes not even good. This trade makes us worse

Yeah, sure, Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas are what we need (lol).

 

[Ralphb07]

Kirk, Tyrus and the 16 for Kaman, Blake and 24.... No way..... Kaman is always hurt. There were talks of the Clips offering Kaman for just Kirk at the deadline so we're trading Tyrus and the 16th for Blake and the 24th is basically how it works out.

If we get some good indication that Kaman is healthy I wouldn't mind doing Kirk for him but as it looks right now I wouldn't trade Kirk for him

 

[Ralphb07]

Rose1 wrote:

rosefromconcrete wrote:

kaman is not the missing piece. Hes not even good. This trade makes us worse

Yeah, sure, Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas are what we need (lol).

As much as people wanna rag on Tyrus he's still only 22 and made great strides this year. A lot of people talk about how Noah gets it more but that has to do with Noah being 24 and having 3 years of college with 2 National Championships

Tyrus gets me mad and all you gotta go is read the Tyrus threads to see what I don't like but the kid did make strides and played well and could still grow. The only way you trade Tyrus is if it for a elite big, other than that you keep him.


With Kirk he was back in 06/07 form this year and his defense was rock solid. He also shot the ball well and was a GREAT teammate this Rose. Read some of Rose quotes this year about when Kirk was injured he was texting Rose going over things with him and stuff

 

[rosefromconcrete]

why does everyone want to basically give away deng, hinrich and tt. They are all quality players and we shouldnt just give them away. Kaman is overrated and overpaid...i dont want to pay him 10 mil a year to be less effective than brad miller. Hes only had 1 good season.

Someone who really intrigues me is trevor ariza. Hes gonna be a fa and I wouldnt mind trading deng for him (sign and trade obviously) and someone else. The other player doesnt matter, hopefully someone who has a contract that expires in 2010.

I really think we need a stud defensive sf to somewhat stop lebron in the future. We should model our team specifically with the thought of "how do we beat the cavs (or whatever team lebron plays for in the future). I think Ariza could be had for about the MLE and paying ariza 30-35 mil for 5 years looks a lot better thatn paying deng 60 mil for 6 years. I think Deng would be great in LA

 

[rosefromconcrete]

i mean paying deng 60 mil for the next 5 years

 

[Manic Devourer]

Rose1 wrote:

Clippers: Travis Outlaw gives them one of the best SF positions in the league.

Don't get me wrong, I like Travis - I think he would fit our team better than Deng, but he is not one of the best SF in the league.

With that being said Clippers I bet would think about it because they'd like to shed some salary and Outlaw expires after next year, and Tyrus doesn't have to be re-signed to an extension if they choose not to.

But with that Kaman is way down on the list of people I would target in the off season, though I'd have to keep him in mind if we can not acquire a star power forward. A Kaman and Noah front line could be interesting.

 

[Rose1]

Kaman averaged 12 and 7 I think last year and has a mild history of injury on arguably the worst team. I wouldn't doubt what he can't do. He has the touch of Dirk around the basket and can bang with the O'Neals and Howards. He'll get notice once someone acquires him on an successful team. Last, oh yes, Tyrus Thomas the guy whom has plenty upside but hasn't found the jump-shot and can't create his own shot. Alright, I'm convince he can still come through. Y'all better quit drinking that T-time energy drink.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Wow hate to say this but I actually like that deal. We dont give up much at all and get a solid player in Chris who could easily start at PF with Noah as the center and Brad as the backup and a rookie backup big. Blake is a nice replacement for my boy Kirk. Clippers would love to shed some payroll. I know Kaman has been banged up but when healthy he is a very solid 15 and 10 guy on a nightly basis.

The problem with Bulls fans is they are never ready to depart with there guys, they want to improve but no deal is ever good enough. Sorry but thats how I feel.

 

[Shakes]

Kaman isn't even that much better than Tyrus offensively. This year he was a slightly better scorer, slightly more efficient but turned the ball over a lot more. Everybody talks up Kaman as some kind of great offensive player, but even in his best year he only averaged 15.2 points per 36.

For someone who is owed 11.3 million average over the next three years and has had some major injuries of late, it's hard to see why we should take him on.

 

[JimmyBulls]

Kaman is 7'0" 265 lbs, which Thomas will never be able to match. Kaman has a low post game which the Bulls need badly, and Tyrus is simply not that type of player. Chris Kaman is also a guy that will be alot harder to push around when compared to Tyrus Thomas. Not to mention, the upgrade from having Noah play as a weakside shotblocking power forward instead of getting overpowered as our dominant post defender. These are all facets of the game that the Bulls will need if they're going to seriously compete.

There is more to the game of basketball than matching statlines and drawing conclusions that are completely false. There should be no question what so ever that Kaman would bring more to the team when compared to Thomas. But his health is a something the Bulls would have to take into consideration.

 

[Dpauley23]

Chris Kaman is the most overrated guy by us Bulls fans. Guy has one good season and were jumping all over him. Guess what you can't get him because he has 20 percent increase in salary if he is traded. Why the hell would Reinsdorf pay tax to get average center in Kaman?

 

[Shakes]

JimmyBulls wrote:

Kaman is 7'0" 265 lbs, which Thomas will never be able to match. Kaman has a low post game which the Bulls need badly, and Tyrus is simply not that type of player. Chris Kaman is also a guy that will be alot harder to push around when compared to Tyrus Thomas. Not to mention, the upgrade from having Noah play as a weakside shotblocking power forward instead of getting overpowered as our dominant post defender. These are all facets of the game that the Bulls will need if they're going to seriously compete.

There is more to the game of basketball than matching statlines and drawing conclusions that are completely false. There should be no question what so ever that Kaman would bring more to the team when compared to Thomas. But his health is a something the Bulls would have to take into consideration.

My point is that you downgrade from Hinrich to Blake, and from our pick to the Blazer's pick, in order to acquire a big guy who is quite overpaid. Now maybe you do that if he's really good, but he's not. I'm not saying he wouldn't offer things Tyrus doesn't, but he's really not that big of an upgrade, and the downsides of this deal are huge.

 

[rosefromconcrete]

JimmyBulls wrote:

Kaman is 7'0" 265 lbs, which Thomas will never be able to match. Kaman has a low post game which the Bulls need badly, and Tyrus is simply not that type of player. Chris Kaman is also a guy that will be alot harder to push around when compared to Tyrus Thomas. Not to mention, the upgrade from having Noah play as a weakside shotblocking power forward instead of getting overpowered as our dominant post defender. These are all facets of the game that the Bulls will need if they're going to seriously compete.

There is more to the game of basketball than matching statlines and drawing conclusions that are completely false. There should be no question what so ever that Kaman would bring more to the team when compared to Thomas. But his health is a something the Bulls would have to take into consideration.

No one is simply matching statlines. The point is kaman sucks. He had one good season on a bad team. If we want a slightly above average 7'0 265 pound center then we should simply keep Brad Miller. Miller is as good or better in virtually all aspects of the game minus shot-blocking. Kaman got overpaid for one good year and what else has he done?

The big problem with this deal is that we are trading away the 2 best players and the 16th pick to get the 3rd best player in the deal. Just because we need more muscle in the paint doesnt mean that we overpay for anyone who is 265 pounds.

 

[Hendu0520]

rosefromconcrete wrote:

JimmyBulls wrote:

Kaman is 7'0" 265 lbs, which Thomas will never be able to match. Kaman has a low post game which the Bulls need badly, and Tyrus is simply not that type of player. Chris Kaman is also a guy that will be alot harder to push around when compared to Tyrus Thomas. Not to mention, the upgrade from having Noah play as a weakside shotblocking power forward instead of getting overpowered as our dominant post defender. These are all facets of the game that the Bulls will need if they're going to seriously compete.

There is more to the game of basketball than matching statlines and drawing conclusions that are completely false. There should be no question what so ever that Kaman would bring more to the team when compared to Thomas. But his health is a something the Bulls would have to take into consideration.

No one is simply matching statlines. The point is kaman sucks. He had one good season on a bad team. If we want a slightly above average 7'0 265 pound center then we should simply keep Brad Miller. Miller is as good or better in virtually all aspects of the game minus shot-blocking. Kaman got overpaid for one good year and what else has he done?

The big problem with this deal is that we are trading away the 2 best players and the 16th pick to get the 3rd best player in the deal. Just because we need more muscle in the paint doesnt mean that we overpay for anyone who is 265 pounds.

Thank you! Kaman does suck, lets stop this already unless we trade Jerome James for him we shouldn't get him. We have Miller how is that much different. Hinrich is better than Blake and Tyrus is just as good as Kaman per minute and he doesn't get injured. So every part of the trade is a downgrade.
Hinrich > Blake
Tyrus=Kaman but younger and doesn't get injured
16h pick > 24th pick

Once again if you can't get a SUPERSTAR you better keep Tyrus, Kaman please stop the lunicy.

 

[Bullsman24]

no, we're giving up kirk and tyrus for kaman and steve blake???

and we have to give up our 16???

no.