Ashton Jeanty/Shedeur Sanders evaluations.

[MadOne 77]

I've been watching and reading reviews and opinions of both players. First, I can't understand where all the Sanders hate is coming from. He seems to look better fundamentally than Caleb did. He played with a undersized and mismatched line for two years and still performed. His passes and playmaking abilities are above average. Is it his talent or is it that he's Deion Sanders son, why people dont like him? I don't see him dropping past 4. I think he's the #1 QB on Board.
Secondly, I don't understand the Jeanty love? He's an undersized RB that didn't play in a major conference. While I belive he is a great RB,in my opinion he's not a top 10 or even top 15 pick.This draft is loaded with good RBs I couldn't justify spedning a 1st round pick on him.My draft predictions are Jeanty will never live up to his draft value and if Sanders drops, he's gonna be a Lamar type pick and make everyone guess why he wasn't picked early. I think the Sanders hate is just in the media, no way a GM let's him fall past 5.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Sanders can't run like Jackson, and Jackson can't pass like Sanders.

 

[msadows]

I've been watching and reading reviews and opinions of both players. First, I can't understand where all the Sanders hate is coming from. He seems to look better fundamentally than Caleb did. He played with a undersized and mismatched line for two years and still performed. His passes and playmaking abilities are above average. Is it his talent or is it that he's Deion Sanders son, why people dont like him? I don't see him dropping past 4. I think he's the #1 QB on Board.
Secondly, I don't understand the Jeanty love? He's an undersized RB that didn't play in a major conference. While I belive he is a great RB,in my opinion he's not a top 10 or even top 15 pick.This draft is loaded with good RBs I couldn't justify spedning a 1st round pick on him.My draft predictions are Jeanty will never live up to his draft value and if Sanders drops, he's gonna be a Lamar type pick and make everyone guess why he wasn't picked early. I think the Sanders hate is just in the media, no way a GM let's him fall past 5.

Might want to get your eyes checked if you think sanders looks better to you than caleb.

No one "hates" Shaduer, everyone just knows he is likely a 2nd or 3rd round QB if his last name wasnt sanders.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I've been watching and reading reviews and opinions of both players. First, I can't understand where all the Sanders hate is coming from. He seems to look better fundamentally than Caleb did. He played with a undersized and mismatched line for two years and still performed. His passes and playmaking abilities are above average. Is it his talent or is it that he's Deion Sanders son, why people dont like him? I don't see him dropping past 4. I think he's the #1 QB on Board.
Secondly, I don't understand the Jeanty love? He's an undersized RB that didn't play in a major conference. While I belive he is a great RB,in my opinion he's not a top 10 or even top 15 pick.This draft is loaded with good RBs I couldn't justify spedning a 1st round pick on him.My draft predictions are Jeanty will never live up to his draft value and if Sanders drops, he's gonna be a Lamar type pick and make everyone guess why he wasn't picked early. I think the Sanders hate is just in the media, no way a GM let's him fall past 5.

I'm not going to fault your opinions...I think they bear flavors of the fruit they speak on.

I'll take Jeanty on first.

The thing he has is elite contact balance. So much so scouts have reluctantly compared Marshon Lynch and Emit Smith. I would go so far as to bring in small stature good feet freaks MJD and Walter Payton.

You are getting a moderately fast player that is hard to bring down, hard to get a clean hit on, that requires 60 minutes of respect and attentions in a football game.

Undersize small conference. So was Walter Payton but to your point you can't make your hay searching for the next Sweetness under a haystack. The pick carries risk at a devalued acquisition position.

I think he is a good player and similar to Tyler Warren in that the team that picks them won't regret improving their football team. Like these are guaranteed offensive contributors that improve our two deep at their position.

It's a lay-up when you feel like you need a three and with linemen available there is an open 3.
If they take the bucket I'm good with it.

Membou, Campbell and the DEs lack the complete profile to be guarantees. They all could bust hard. Like give you next to nothing due to size or performance questions.

 

[jsu34]

I find the whole Sanders thing amusing. We hear that qb should stand in the pocket and deliver the ball.

Shedeur did just that. In fact he did it so well he led the ncaa in passing completion percentage.

So what happens? They say he can't run, his arm is weak, not tall enough, attitude, arrogant, cocky, blah blah blah blah blah.

If his name were Jones and not Deion's kid I'm sure the story would be different.

He also got sacked a ton. Some on him and most on his oline. He had a decent line at JSU but not at Colorado.

But despite getting sacked so much, not once had he ever pointed a finger at the line or complained. In fact you never see him throwing another teammate under the bus.

As for Jeanty: I feel like he is being lower rated because of where he played and who he's played against. He's a much better back that he's being rated by the "experts".

 

[Da Coach]

Sanders plays smart but his arm is pretty weak imo. Payton Manning got away with it so we'll see.

Jeanty is the best RB prospect I've seen since Bijon

Just my opinion

 

[Midway Fields]

Jeanty is going to be tits.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Living in CO the past few years, there are more Buff fans that will tell you Sanders is overrated then he is a a solid player. Competition he faced was pretty weak.

 

[BearDown104]

Living in CO the past few years, there are more Buff fans that will tell you Sanders is overrated then he is a a solid player. Competition he faced was pretty weak.

I’m sorry

 

[TL1961]

I find the whole Sanders thing amusing. We hear that qb should stand in the pocket and deliver the ball.

Shedeur did just that. In fact he did it so well he led the ncaa in passing completion percentage.

So what happens? They say he can't run, his arm is weak, not tall enough, attitude, arrogant, cocky, blah blah blah blah blah.

If his name were Jones and not Deion's kid I'm sure the story would be different.

He also got sacked a ton. Some on him and most on his oline. He had a decent line at JSU but not at Colorado.

But despite getting sacked so much, not once had he ever pointed a finger at the line or complained. In fact you never see him throwing another teammate under the bus.

As for Jeanty: I feel like he is being lower rated because of where he played and who he's played against. He's a much better back that he's being rated by the "experts".

They say his arm is weak and he's not tall enough because he stood in the pocket? What??

 

[greg23]

Sanders can't run like Jackson, and Jackson can't pass like Sanders.

At least the 1st half of your statement is true

 

[jsu34]

They say his arm is weak and he's not tall enough because he stood in the pocket? What??

No, try to keep up.

There's a narrative that the qb must stand in the pocket and deliver the ball.

Since he does that, they move the goal posts.
Understand now?

 

[EDPeezy]

Most QB’s who aren’t elite athletes get picked apart leading up to the draft because so much of the focus gets shifted to physical tools and away from game tape.

Sometimes those deficiencies matter. Sometimes they don’t.

You can do it for any position. It’s why a guy like Jack Sawyer is being looked at like he is while Stewart from A&M is being looked at like he is.

And in defense of the league, it seems like when a QB drops big time they’re usually right about him. Rodgers is the best and one of the few examples where they were wrong. I don’t remember specifics, but his drop may have just been lack of teams needing a QB. For every 1 drop like Rodgers it seems like there are 10 drops like Johnny Manziel and Will Levis.

I think the media hype machine pushes QB’s who the league itself isn’t big on. So I’m sort of wrong. Did Manziel drop or was what the media was pushing about him completely different than how the league actually saw him? Same with Levis. Did they really drop when the people actually picking them never saw them in the same light as the media? Was Sanders ever considered a top 5 pick with people actually in the league who make decisions like this? Or just by the media who obviously has no actual say in any this stuff? The truth is our perception based off what the media told us was never the reality.

 

[Runruffshod75]

I still don't think the Bears should draft a HB for 1500+ yards from scrimmage when they can still get just that from a second round HB.

Sure, if the Bears took Jeanty they'd get their starter, they'd get their 1500+ from scrimmage, Jeanty will make the highlight reels and the Bears will get a rotational backup with their first second round pick.

I would much rather take a guy like Armand Membou if he's still on the board at 10 and then take a guy like Judkins in round 2 which will all but guarantee two starters with your first two picks. Judkins won't be as flashy, but you'll get your 1500+ from scrimmage from him.

This offense needs it's version of Sewell before anything else and that would be Armand Membou. That mauler RIGHT TACKLE is the base of this entire offensive scheme in order to run the ball effectively.

IMO Darnell Wright plays more like a LEFT TACKLE anyway. Wright has been in the league for two full seasons and I do believe he is fully capable of making the adjustment to LEFT TACKLE. Darnell Wright will play significantly better at LEFT TACKLE than any prospect from this class.

You get yourself a starting Offensive line of:

LT - DARNELL WRIGHT
LG - JOE THUNEY
CENTER - DALMAN
RG - KIRAN AMEGADJIE/JONAH JACKSON
RT - ARMAND MEMBOU

Imo that's a banger of a starting 5 that's going to keep the QB upright, & if the passing game isn't clicking than OK fine then, you are still going to be able to pound the rock all over the field with that starting 5 until the passing game clicks.

I REALLY hope that this front office doesn't try to whip this roster into a dimestore version of what Ben Johnson had in Detroit in one off-season. Do this right and get your version of Sewell first, then get your 1500+ yard HB in round 2.

 

[TL1961]

No, try to keep up.

There's a narrative that the qb must stand in the pocket and deliver the ball.

Since he does that, they move the goal posts.
Understand now?

Yeah, I got it the first time. It sounds like whining abut Sanders facing the same criticism every other prosepct faces.

 

[jsu34]

Yeah, I got it the first time. It sounds like whining abut Sanders facing the same criticism every other prosepct faces.

It would be "whining" if the criticism was actual criticism. You sound like you are in one camp already. Too bad for you the name bothers enough to make an decsion outside of actual football.

 

[msadows]

I still don't think the Bears should draft a HB for 1500+ yards from scrimmage when they can still get just that from a second round HB.

Sure, if the Bears took Jeanty they'd get their starter, they'd get their 1500+ from scrimmage, Jeanty will make the highlight reels and the Bears will get a rotational backup with their first second round pick.

I would much rather take a guy like Armand Membou if he's still on the board at 10 and then take a guy like Judkins in round 2 which will all but guarantee two starters with your first two picks. Judkins won't be as flashy, but you'll get your 1500+ from scrimmage from him.

This offense needs it's version of Sewell before anything else and that would be Armand Membou. That mauler RIGHT TACKLE is the base of this entire offensive scheme in order to run the ball effectively.

IMO Darnell Wright plays more like a LEFT TACKLE anyway. Wright has been in the league for two full seasons and I do believe he is fully capable of making the adjustment to LEFT TACKLE. Darnell Wright will play significantly better at LEFT TACKLE than any prospect from this class.

You get yourself a starting Offensive line of:

LT - DARNELL WRIGHT
LG - JOE THUNEY
CENTER - DALMAN
RG - KIRAN AMEGADJIE/JONAH JACKSON
RT - ARMAND MEMBOU

Imo that's a banger of a starting 5 that's going to keep the QB upright, & if the passing game isn't clicking than OK fine then, you are still going to be able to pound the rock all over the field with that starting 5 until the passing game clicks.

I REALLY hope that this front office doesn't try to whip this roster into a dimestore version of what Ben Johnson had in Detroit in one off-season. Do this right and get your version of Sewell first, then get your 1500+ yard HB in round 2.

Membou is longer and has better feet than wright, so why would wright play LT?

We already have a mauler right tackle, his name is darnell wright.

 

[TL1961]

It would be "whining" if the criticism was actual criticism. You sound like you are in one camp already. Too bad for you the name bothers enough to make an decsion outside of actual football.

The name has nothing to do with it. Not a thing. Why would it?

I don’t have a strong opinion on Sanders one way or the other.

I just see that anyone who doesn’t think he’s a great NFL QB prospect is accused of “hate”. Nobody says that if one doesn’t like Milroe or Dart. Only victim Shedeur.

It went on all season with Colorado. Anyone suggesting they weren’t a great team was “a hater”.

Sanders backers need to grow up.

 

[jsu34]

The name has nothing to do with it. Not a thing. Why would it?

I don’t have a strong opinion on Sanders one way or the other.

I just see that anyone who doesn’t think he’s a great NFL QB prospect is accused of “hate”. Nobody says that if one doesn’t like Milroe or Dart. Only victim Shedeur.

It went on all season with Colorado. Anyone suggesting they weren’t a great team was “a hater”.

Sanders backers need to grow up.

First of all, I gave an evaluation of both Sanders and Jeanty. I included the fact that the analysis of Sanders changed from whether he could play the position to all of the things being said as the draft nears.

If you look at what he did this season on a team that wasn't very good, IMO, you can't come away thinking he isn't very good. That's lazy football analysis.

And, no, hell no, Colorado is not a good football team.

Milroe isn't a 1st rounder. And IMO (I'm from Mississippi) Dart is a 2nd rounder. Put either of them in Colorado and it's instant dumpster fire.

Deion is a great coach for developing young men, but the scheme of on both sides of the ball left a lot to be desired. Plus they never made any adjustments.

And for the record, what about Sanders says he's not a "great NFL QB prospect" as you say? NFL proscpects will either be great or bust out.
Sanders deserves that chance to bust out.

And this is no different. It happens every year. The "experts" start nitpicking while hyping up another.

This is a bad year for QB. I don't think Cam or Shedeur should be a #1.

But stop the madness about him not being able to play the position.

 

[TL1961]

First of all, I gave an evaluation of both Sanders and Jeanty. I included the fact that the analysis of Sanders changed from whether he could play the position to all of the things being said as the draft nears.

If you look at what he did this season on a team that wasn't very good, IMO, you can't come away thinking he isn't very good. That's lazy football analysis.

And, no, hell no, Colorado is not a good football team.

Milroe isn't a 1st rounder. And IMO (I'm from Mississippi) Dart is a 2nd rounder. Put either of them in Colorado and it's instant dumpster fire.

Deion is a great coach for developing young men, but the scheme of on both sides of the ball left a lot to be desired. Plus they never made any adjustments.

And for the record, what about Sanders says he's not a "great NFL QB prospect" as you say? NFL proscpects will either be great or bust out.
Sanders deserves that chance to bust out.

And this is no different. It happens every year. The "experts" start nitpicking while hyping up another.

This is a bad year for QB. I don't think Cam or Shedeur should be a #1.

But stop the madness about him not being able to play the position.

Whose posts are you confusing for mine?

I didn’t say he can’t play the position or anything remotely close to that.

I asked why someone blamed standing in the pocket for criticism of his height and arm strength.