Ask Yourself These Three Questions (Forget About the Quality of Bulls Offensive Play)

[ZAN]

Ask yourself these questions...

Game 1 Would the Bulls have been T'd up for 6 on the floor?

Game 2 Would Luol Deng or Carlos Boozer have gotten 6 minutes to close a cut on their elbow?

Game 3 Would the Bulls have gotten 2 chances to throw that inbounds pass?

These are legitimate questions. These aren't pointless calling out referee for ticky tack foul type complaint. These are ACTUAL game-changing judgment calls/non-calls by the referees.

Scenario 1. Granted we won the game...but if the Bulls lose this game by 1 or 2 points. That technical foul no-call looms large. I'd bet anything that the Bulls would have been T'd up.

Scenario 2. The Heat starters and Haslem were all GASSED in a tie game. Wade is given TWO SEPARATE THREE MINUTE SESSIONS to close his gash on his elbow (while Omer was forced to exit the game). Haslem and James catch their wind, and rattle off a three and a long jumper on consecutive possessions to ice the Bulls, when we had them backpeddaling and gasping for their 2nd wind.

Scenario 3. In the NBA rules, the referee is considered a neutral entity. When a neutral entity is out-of-bounds, and the ball hits it via pass or ricochet or deflection, the last team to touch the ball loses possession to the other team. Instead, the Heat get another chance.

Then factor in the Bulls low shooting percentage and the fact that the Heat are getting to the line 10+ more times a game (besides Game 1) whilst playing much more physical D than Chicago is, and you have an issue. The Bulls are STILL playing the Heat close and haven't played anywhere close to their A-game, offensively. Scary to think about from the Heat's perspective. They better not draw Joey Crawford in Game 4, or this series is heading back to Chicago at 2-2...

 

[Glide2keva]

Ask yourself these questions...

Game 1 Would the Bulls have been T'd up for 6 on the floor?

Game 2 Would Luol Deng or Carlos Boozer have gotten 6 minutes to close a cut on their elbow?

Game 3 Would the Bulls have gotten 2 chances to throw that inbounds pass?

These are legitimate questions. These aren't pointless calling out referee for ticky tack foul type complaint. These are ACTUAL game-changing judgment calls/non-calls by the referees.

Scenario 1. Granted we won the game...but if the Bulls lose this game by 1 or 2 points. That technical foul no-call looms large. I'd bet anything that the Bulls would have been T'd up.

Scenario 2. The Heat starters and Haslem were all GASSED in a tie game. Wade is given TWO SEPARATE THREE MINUTE SESSIONS to close his gash on his elbow (while Omer was forced to exit the game). Haslem and James catch their wind, and rattle off a three and a long jumper on consecutive possessions to ice the Bulls, when we had them backpedaling and gasping for their 2nd wind.

Scenario 3. In the NBA rules, the referee is considered a neutral entity. When a neutral entity is out-of-bounds, and the ball hits it via pass or ricochet or deflection, the last team to touch the ball loses possession to the other team. Instead, the Heat get another chance.

Then factor in the Bulls low shooting percentage and the fact that the Heat are getting to the line 10+ more times a game (besides Game 1) whilst playing much more physical D than Chicago is, and you have an issue. The Bulls are STILL playing the Heat close and haven't played anywhere close to their A-game, offensively. Scary to think about from the Heat's perspective. They better not draw Joey Crawford in Game 4, or this series is heading back to Chicago at 2-2.

1. Yes

2. No

3. No

I considered all of those questions and that is why I have no confidence in the Bulls winning this series. Not because they can't, because they can, but because they won't be allowed to.

 

[James Dwayne Bosh III]

I think the best answer to all of your questions are: Who the hell knows?

And how does the Bulls offensive play factor into these purely hypothetical questions?

 

[Scoot26]

What happened in Game 3 had no effect on the outcome of the game. The play happened in the first 3 seconds of the game. The Heat didnt even score out of that possession.

 

[houheffna]

What happened in Game 3 had no effect on the outcome of the game. The play happened in the first 3 seconds of the game. The Heat didnt even score out of that possession.

Man, people on here are fishing for excuses as to why the Bulls are losing, including some 40 year old who claims to have witnessed the first championships, which I don't believe. Looking for every petty excuse for the Bulls sorry play is so damn sophomoric that its just downright sad. Makes no sense...

 

[TopekaRoy]

Man, people on here are fishing for excuses as to why the Bulls are losing, including some 40 year old who claims to have witnessed the first championships, which I don't believe. Looking for every petty excuse for the Bulls sorry play is so damn sophomoric that its just downright sad. Makes no sense...

I don't believe any of these bad calls affected the outcome of the games. Although the extended injury timeout might have helped out the Heat a little bit, it also gave the Bulls players some time to rest, so...

I also don't think that bad officiating should be excused just because it didn't change the outcome of the game. Do you?

I understand that refs are human and are going to make mistakes, especially when calling fouls/charges. But if the refs are truly being unbiased, the bad calls should even themselves out for both teams. We know that is not the case because superstars usually get the benefit of the doubt and favorable calls when contact is made. They always have. It's also true that certain players (Boozer?) tend to get called for fouls more easily or quickly based on their reputation and not necessarily based on what actually occurred.

You can't watch this series objectively and not see that most of the time when there is slight contact or near contact that the calls go in favor of the Heat. I guess that's because they have 3 superstars and the Bulls only have one, but I still don't think it's right.

 

[thedude33]

The key for the Bulls is simple: Put the damn ball in the basket!

 

[James Dwayne Bosh III]

I understand that refs are human and are going to make mistakes, especially when calling fouls/charges. But if the refs are truly being unbiased, the bad calls should even themselves out for both teams. We know that is not the case because superstars usually get the benefit of the doubt and favorable calls when contact is made.

Not to mention, and I could be wrong, but haven't the Bulls been to the free throw line more than the Heat?

I don't know about you, but I'd classify Rose as a superstar. Maybe not in the playoffs so far but in regular season play. Does that rule of getting him to the line as much as Wade, James and Bosh transfer equally or are there different sets of rules?

 

[Scoot26]

Man, people on here are fishing for excuses as to why the Bulls are losing, including some 40 year old who claims to have witnessed the first championships, which I don't believe. Looking for every petty excuse for the Bulls sorry play is so damn sophomoric that its just downright sad. Makes no sense...

Yes, and I've seen several series called pretty poorly. Lakers-Sacramento Game 6 in 2002 and Heat-Mavericks Game 5 were god right awful. This isnt even on par with anything.

The Bulls are not playing good. The MVP is neutralized and no one else can step up and make plays when it counts in the 4th quarter. There is nothing the refs are doing here people. The only call that could have had reprecusions on this series was the 6 men on the court in Game 1, but we won that game in a blowout so the point is mute.

 

[TopekaRoy]

Not to mention, and I could be wrong, but haven't the Bulls been to the free throw line more than the Heat?

I don't know about you, but I'd classify Rose as a superstar. Maybe not in the playoffs so far but in regular season play. Does that rule of getting him to the line as much as Wade, James and Bosh transfer equally or are there different sets of rules?

The Bulls have been called for 62 PFs and the Heat have been called for 59. That doesn't mean that nobody is getting favorable calls. If the Bulls had actually committed 40 PFs and the Heat had committed 82 (hypothetically) then that would be a huge bias.

I would also classify Rose as a superstar. Who did you think I was referring to when I said "the Bulls only have one?" Keith Bogans?

 

[James Dwayne Bosh III]

The Bulls have been called for 62 PFs and the Heat have been called for 59. That doesn't mean that nobody is getting favorable calls. If the Bulls had actually committed 40 PFs and the Heat had committed 82 (hypothetically) then that would be a huge bias.

I guess with personal foul calls, per team, being relatively even (a difference of merely 3), I can't find any evidence of overall calls going favorable for one team or the other.

 

[TopekaRoy]

I guess with personal foul calls, per team, being relatively even (a difference of merely 3), I can't find any evidence of overall calls going favorable for one team or the other.

Are you watching the games or just looking at the box scores?

 

[Glide2keva]

Are you watching the games or just looking at the box scores?

He's looking at the box scores because the total number of fouls is not the problem, it's when and what types of fouls they are.

The Bulls usually get jobbed when they are making a run. A foul of some sort is called to get Miami at the the line for free points. Or just because the Bulls are playing aggressive playoff defense they get called for fouls on blocked shots while mostly all of Miami's blocks are "clean".

The Bulls are not fouling as much as the foul numbers would indicate. A ton of these fouls are touch fouls, while most of Miami's fouls are obvious.

 

[FirstTimer]

Have there been questionable calls?

Sure.

Have any of those calls cost the Bulls the game?

Hell no.

Quit crying about it. It makes the fan base look petty.

I'd still like to see the official NBA rulebook on refs being in play or out of play durng inbounding the ball when the ball technically hasn't reentered play yet.

 

[BeringStrait]

Fouls can really deflate the team and change the momentum of the game. Biased fouls are extremely frustrating and I know how that can dampen the mood. While this is absolutely true, a good team needs to rise above the fouls. They need to win despite the refs.

 

[Scoot26]

Have there been questionable calls?

Sure.

Have any of those calls cost the Bulls the game?

Hell no.

Quit crying about it. It makes the fan base look petty.

I'd still like to see the official NBA rulebook on refs being in play or out of play durng inbounding the ball when the ball technically hasn't reentered play yet.

Yes, I'd like to see that as well. I cant find anything on it.

 

[TopekaRoy]

Have there been questionable calls?

Sure.

Have any of those calls cost the Bulls the game?

Hell no.

Quit crying about it. It makes the fan base look petty.

So I guess you are in agreement with Hou that good officiating is not important in NBA basketball, Or doesn't matter unless it affects the outcome of the game?

I never blamed either of the Bulls losses this series on the officiating. I've just said that it has been bad and I don't like it.

 

[FirstTimer]

So I guess you are in agreement with Hou that good officiating is not important in NBA basketball

Never said that.

Ijust find it hilarious that a board that was laughing it ass off at Heat fans blaming the refs after Gmae 1 is hung up on a out of bounds call 3 seconds into a basketball game and a phantom double dribble call(neither of which occurred in crunch time or even had the Heat score points)

Or doesn't matter unless it affects the outcome of the game?

Unless it's blatent down teh stretch of the game I really don't care all that much. It's NBA basketball. Why is everyone acting surprised that there have been bad calls? When did everyone here start watching the sport?

I've just said that it has been bad and I don't like it.

It's been bad both ways IMO. There have been numerous occasions where Lebron gets smacked around down low and nothing is called.

Bad officiating in the NBA will never go away. If you don't like it I'd suggest watching a different sport.

 

[DewsSox79]

Fouls can really deflate the team and change the momentum of the game. Biased fouls are extremely frustrating and I know how that can dampen the mood. While this is absolutely true, a good team needs to rise above the fouls. They need to win despite the refs.

same in hockey as we experienced last year.

 

[payton 34ever]

Never said that.

Ijust find it hilarious that a board that was laughing it ass off at Heat fans blaming the refs after Gmae 1 is hung up on a out of bounds call 3 seconds into a basketball game and a phantom double dribble call(neither of which occurred in crunch time or even had the Heat score points)

Unless it's blatent down teh stretch of the game I really don't care all that much. It's NBA basketball. Why is everyone acting surprised that there have been bad calls? When did everyone here start watching the sport?



It's been bad both ways IMO. There have been numerous occasions where Lebron gets smacked around down low and nothing is called.

Bad officiating in the NBA will never go away. If you don't like it I'd suggest watching a different sport.

I'm not saying that the refs have cost the Bulls the last two games; their pathetic offensive execution and lack of help defense have done that. But, come on: do you really not understand why people would be laughed at for bitching about reffing in a 21 pt. game as opposed to games that were in doubt well into the 4th qtr.?

Truth is, we'll never know how much any particular call affects the outcome of a game unless we have some kind of alternate reality time-traveling device to see all the potential outcomes of a ref's decision.

It's frustrating to watch a team that was unreal for most of the season play so poorly when it counts most, and against a bunch of punk-ass bitches like Miami, no less. That's more than likely where the ref-hate comes in.