BG vs Jillian Jesk talking about trades

[Riker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vVLL7ZSeMk

One day I'll fly out to Chicago, go watch a game courtside, cry in front of gate 4, and then commit a violent act on Jerry Reinsdork and get deported back home.

 

[J-Mart]

Wow, I can't say that gave me much confidence that Gordon will be back.

 

[Fred]

Great stuff Riker. So now we have some insight on what Jerry said to BG. And basically, he insulted him by saying he shouldn't complain...as if that's what Ben would do. What a classless move from the chairman.

 

[Shakes]

I didn't really read it that way. To me it's more like a "don't burn your bridges, we're not burning our bridges with you" type thing to say.

 

[J-Mart]

Shakes wrote:

I didn't really read it that way. To me it's more like a "don't burn your bridges, we're not burning our bridges with you" type thing to say.

Maybe that is what they meant by it, but the way Gordon sounded, he took it how Fred said it.

 

[Shakes]

I'm not going to read anything into how he sounded, he was spewing the typical athlete cliches about how he would love to be a one team player, doesn't know what will happen, has been trying to stay professional, blah blah blah. If people want to read into the tone of voice he uses then go ahead, if anything I thought he sounded bored that he was expected to repeat the same old crap, just like most athletes do.

 

[dougthonus]

I'd take it a little more negatively than you.

He says no, he hasn't talked to Jerry Reinsdorf and there's no reason for him to. At the very best, that statement made it clear that Reinsdorf didn't try and mend any fences at the end of the season.

Also, in his meeting with Reinsdorf it seems pretty clear that BG felt insulted by being told to be professional given that he's always been professional even when the Bulls ridiculously started Chris Duhon over him and let the press run wild with the "he's only a 6th man" thing which probably significantly hurt his contract negotiations.

I think Gordon's been a professional to the detriment to his career and could see why he'd be pissed by that type of comment/warning.

 

[Rerisen]

dougthonus wrote:

I think Gordon's been a professional to the detriment to his career and could see why he'd be pissed by that type of comment/warning.

I don't get where you are coming from with that comment. Being professional a detriment to his career?

I don't think him whining about playing behind Duhon or whatever else he had to complain about would have raised his value around the league, it might have even confirmed the worst negatives some try to portray him as having.

You don't want to get yourself a Larry Hughes type tag that early in your career.

 

[??? ??????]

Rerisen wrote:

dougthonus wrote:

I think Gordon's been a professional to the detriment to his career and could see why he'd be pissed by that type of comment/warning.

I don't get where you are coming from with that comment. Being professional a detriment to his career?

I don't think him whining about playing behind Duhon or whatever else he had to complain about would have raised his value around the league, it might have even confirmed the worst negatives some try to portray him as having.

You don't want to get yourself a Larry Hughes type tag that early in your career.

It was to the detriment of his career, because the Bulls took advantage of his professionalism. They made him the fall guy for 07-08, even though he was the best player and the disappearance of P.J. Brown and Ben Wallace's interior defense, as well as Hinrich going on hiatus had more to do with that awful season. They used him only being a sixth man against him in negotiations. He could have probably said he doesn't like coming off the bench, and kept a starters role, but he didn't, because he wanted to do what was best for the team (even though the move obviously wasn't best for the team), and the Bulls used that against him.

As for Gordon, I think he is someone who wants to be back here, as he likes the city and his teammates, but who doesn't think he will be back. And who wouldn't? He may have to go to that declining city Detroit or Oklahoma City, which I don't think would be his flavor, if he wants money. So he is probably looking at an MLE deal to play for the Cavs, Spurs, Rockets, Heat, or Magic, and I could see why he would be bummed out about that. I think people would finally open their eyes to how great of a player Gordon is if he was playing with Wade, Lebron, or Dwight...but he would also be doing it on a bargain contract for at least three years, until they acquired his bird rights, and he would be 29 by the time that first contract is up.

 

[J-Mart]

dougthonus wrote:

At the very best, that statement made it clear that Reinsdorf didn't try and mend any fences at the end of the season.

That is key IMO. I always thought that if Gordon was going to resign here, that Jerry would need to come out and admit he was wrong and should have signed Gordon long term earlier. At the very least he should have made it very clear that we want him back in a Bulls uniform. I don't know maybe he has been doing all this through Paxson but I doubt it.

 

[engies]

I see the points here but I'm kind of in the middle. I could see why Ben could be insulted by the comments, but it may not be as big of a deal as it seems. & Jerry may have just stated these things to Ben "just in case". I mean we don't know the tone of the meeting or how it went.

I don't think you have to have a good relationship with the owner to remain on the team. I think its good if you do, but the bottom line business is business. & I dont see why he (or many others for that matter) on this team would speak to Jerry. They would likely have more contact with John, Gar & the people underneath them

All that matters is the money he can get from us, the teammates he has & whether the team has a legit chance of winning.

 

[wjb1492]

It's going to be a long summer - at least the part until they can start talking to free agents. I hope things get resolved one way or the other with Ben early this year, preferably with him signing early with the Bulls, but if it's not going to work out I'd rather know that in July so I can move on than have it linger all summer only to have him sign elsewhere at the last minute. I mean, I'd rather have him sign late with the Bulls than not sign with the Bulls in many ways, but the thought of the will-he-or-won't-he lasting all summer long makes me tired already.

 

[dougthonus]

wjb1492 wrote:

It's going to be a long summer - at least the part until they can start talking to free agents. I hope things get resolved one way or the other with Ben early this year, preferably with him signing early with the Bulls, but if it's not going to work out I'd rather know that in July so I can move on than have it linger all summer only to have him sign elsewhere at the last minute. I mean, I'd rather have him sign late with the Bulls than not sign with the Bulls in many ways, but the thought of the will-he-or-won't-he lasting all summer long makes me tired already.

In order:
1) Hope he's back right away.
2) Hope he's back not right away.
3) Hope he's gone right away
4) Hope he's gone not right away.

Basically, whatever gets him back is best, but the earlier we know the better too.

 

[TheStig]

Rerisen wrote:

dougthonus wrote:

I think Gordon's been a professional to the detriment to his career and could see why he'd be pissed by that type of comment/warning.

I don't get where you are coming from with that comment. Being professional a detriment to his career?

I don't think him whining about playing behind Duhon or whatever else he had to complain about would have raised his value around the league, it might have even confirmed the worst negatives some try to portray him as having.

You don't want to get yourself a Larry Hughes type tag that early in your career.

BG could have been much better off demnding a trade. There are plenty of teams who would have taken him and overpaid him if they didn't give out many assets to get him.

 

[wjb1492]

dougthonus wrote:

wjb1492 wrote:

It's going to be a long summer - at least the part until they can start talking to free agents. I hope things get resolved one way or the other with Ben early this year, preferably with him signing early with the Bulls, but if it's not going to work out I'd rather know that in July so I can move on than have it linger all summer only to have him sign elsewhere at the last minute. I mean, I'd rather have him sign late with the Bulls than not sign with the Bulls in many ways, but the thought of the will-he-or-won't-he lasting all summer long makes me tired already.

In order:
1) Hope he's back right away.
2) Hope he's back not right away.
3) Hope he's gone right away
4) Hope he's gone not right away.

Basically, whatever gets him back is best, but the earlier we know the better too.

lol - exactly, and put much more coherently than my effort.

A long summer of waiting will be worth it in hindsight if Ben is back at the end, I'm just not looking forward to it now. But hopefully draft stuff will kick into high gear and put the Ben question on the back burner for a while, since nothing can be done about it anyway.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I have to say that I lol'd when I saw that lady sitting down next to Ben on his couch. Ah the things high school does to your mind....anyway...

I feel that if JR had at least made a statement saying that we want him back that things would look a bit more hopeful, however everything is cloudy, so there's no way of knowing. I really wish he comes back though. At least he said he likes playing here (did he say he wants to say?) and that gives me a little bit of optimism.

 

[engies]

Ralphb07 asked Jillian "You're around him a lot what is your feeling about him returning?"

Her response: "He wants to stay he said he wants to retire here and I hope he does...He's been the leading scorer the past few seasons...I don't know why the Bulls wouldn't but I don't exactly know their financial situation...Pax did say at the trade deadline that the economy was effecting the NBA as well as everyone else...."

take it for what its worth.

 

[charity stripe]

I feel for BG a little. I mean I know he's still making 6 something million dollars and playing ball for a living, but it must suck to get disrespected by the owner, the media, and have a negative repuation follow you around.

The good thing though is that most GMs around the league seem to love his game and attitude.

 

[??? ??????]

Someone needs to get this fact out there, "Ben Gordon grew up a Bulls fan." He admired the dynasty Bulls. Just like Kirk Hinrich, I'm sure he would love to live his boyhood dream of hoisting up a championship trophy, in a Chicago Bulls uniform.

Gordon's a straight shooter. The ball is in the Bulls' court right now. They can either choose to pay Gordon what he's worth, or lose their best player.