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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/10/is-the-dvr-just-a-stop-gap.html



No more skipping ads? Networks will look to video-on-demand to replace DVRs

October 11, 2010 | 1:30 pm



With penetration at almost 40%, the digital video recorder is starting to change the way people watch television and, more important, don't watch advertising.



POLTRACK For the television industry, TiVos and DVRs are a mixed blessing. On the one hand, the devices allow viewers to catch shows they might have otherwise missed. On the other hand, often when viewers use the machines to watch shows, they skip over commercials, much to the chagrin of the advertisers, which pay big bucks for those spots, and the networks, which need the money to make shows.



The networks are wary of this and ultimately are looking to video-on-demand to replace the DVR. In other words, picture a day when instead of recording that episode of "Two and a Half Men" on your DVR, you order it on video-on-demand. The only difference would be that on VOD the ads would be there and you wouldn't be able to skip them.



"I call DVRs a transitional technology," said David Poltrack, the chief research officer of CBS. In an interview, Poltrack said the DVR will be supplanted by streaming and VOD that will "give the consumer the ability to watch shows any way they want to and to do so in a way that is much more advertiser-friendly."



Will the consumer feel that way? Poltrack notes that as VOD becomes more widespread, it could allow cable subscribers to drop their DVRs and knock $10 bucks or so a month off their cable bills. He said CBS has done research that showed 90% of the several thousand people the network surveyed would accept watching commercials in return for not shelling out money for a DVR. Of course, some people might be willing to shell out the $10 a month to not watch commercials.



What about the cable and satellite companies that make money off of DVR subscribers? It would seem natural for them to be resistant to this. Poltrack said the bigger VOD becomes, the easier it will be for distributors to sell high-end digital cable packages as well as possibly sell advertising in or around video-on-demand offerings.



Those who would prefer to keep their DVRs won't escape ads either. Sooner or later the distributors will just make it impossible to skip commercials on shows recorded with DVRs.



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It would be a bummer, but it's not suprising. I wouldn't give up my dvr though. I still record sporting events that likely wouldn't be made to see on demand. If it were then I might consider it. I often forget that I'm watching something I dvr'd and forget to fast forward.
 

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[quote name="phranchk"]It would be a bummer, but it's not suprising. I wouldn't give up my dvr though. I still record sporting events that likely wouldn't be made to see on demand. If it were then I might consider it. I often forget that I'm watching something I dvr'd and forget to fast forward.[/quote]



LMAO!!!! Both me and the wife do that more often than I'd like to admit.

I thought it was just us.
 

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[quote name="Tater"]LMAO!!!! Both me and the wife do that more often than I'd like to admit.

I thought it was just us.[/quote]

I am scary vigilant about skipping through.
 

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[quote name="Ymono37"]

I am scary vigilant about skipping through.[/quote]



Same here... only time I forget is when I'm cooking or not really paying attention.
 

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The thing is...this is technology you're talking about. Much like copy protection, somewhere, someone is going to be able to beat it.

I.E. My DVR is my HTPC. if they ingrained a subroutine in Windows Media Center that made it impossible to skip commercials, you know it's only a matter of time before some kid come up wth a crack around it.
 

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[quote name="LordKOTL"]The thing is...this is technology you're talking about. Much like copy protection, somewhere, someone is going to be able to beat it.

I.E. My DVR is my HTPC. if they ingrained a subroutine in Windows Media Center that made it impossible to skip commercials, you know it's only a matter of time before some kid come up wth a crack around it.[/quote]

Oh totally... look what happened with the "rooting" issue with the Android cellphones on T-Mobile last week.
 

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[quote name="Ymono37"]

I am scary vigilant about skipping through.[/quote]

I try to FF live TV.
 

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mine makes that "bump" noise when its caught up...i hate that noise. always followed by a "****" from me.
 

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This is just ridiculous. People are in love with their DVR's specifically for this reason. And if they didn't fucking turn the volume up on commercials, they might be a little more tolerable. But the fact is, that people will stick with their DVRs for as long as possible until they are forced to quit them. Will the use VOD sure, but only if they missed it on the DVR. You ask anyone if they had it on their DVR or on demand which would they prefer, and they'd say DVR almost all of the time. The playback and everything even seem smoother, searching, fast forwarding, loading, everything. **** BUFFERING.
 

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Like hell they would stop me from skipping ads on my DVR. Once that shit is physically on the DVR's hard disc. **** them. not only am I a software engineer but have extensive experience in the arena of development for Motorola Set top boxes. Bring it bitches, I will circumvent that shit in 5 minutes. Hell if I was still working in the realm of TV, I would refuse to implement any code base that restricted your freedom of use with RDVR on pain of death (not really though, I probably would try and find an ingenious way of implementing it without implementing it).



Although illegal :) I still have the entire code base of a motorola set top box circa 2009 in my posession. In fact I have all of the code ive ever written(and alot I didnt, but it was there, what the hell), that technically doesnt "belong" to me. I could probably sell it for a pretty penny, but I could also end up in jail for that.
 

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This is not the first time this has been proposed, and Tivo was actually going to attempt it until there was a major uproar. Just would be interesting to see if this goes through anytime soon...especially with on demand streaming from the Inets and how they deal with ads.
 

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[quote name="E Runs"]

I try to FF live TV.[/quote]



ditto. DVRs for life
 

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[quote name="MassHavoc"]This is just ridiculous. People are in love with their DVR's specifically for this reason. And if they didn't fucking turn the volume up on commercials, they might be a little more tolerable. But the fact is, that people will stick with their DVRs for as long as possible until they are forced to quit them. Will the use VOD sure, but only if they missed it on the DVR. You ask anyone if they had it on their DVR or on demand which would they prefer, and they'd say DVR almost all of the time. The playback and everything even seem smoother, searching, fast forwarding, loading, everything. **** BUFFERING.[/quote]

I think overheard somebody (and I have nothing to back this up and I'm too lazy to go look it up) saying that they are currently thinking about legislating this so advertisers won't be able to do this anymore...
 

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[quote name="Ymono37"]

I think overheard somebody (and I have nothing to back this up and I'm too lazy to go look it up) saying that they are currently thinking about legislating this so advertisers won't be able to do this anymore...[/quote]

It was supposedly going to happen, but that was last January. I'm guessing it was either attached to another bill and that bill was killed, or this one just got stalled in committee.
 

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Yeah I heard that too, but it died quickly. it was the hot topic of the month type of thing that someone used for a little publicity I think. Wish it would have got legs. Here is an idea, instead of trying to figure out how to make more money but ads, how about you reduce your costs by not paying so much to create the things. Indy movies can be just as good as blockbusters. How about you work harder to find cheaper talent instead of paying the fucking fat kid from 2 1/2 men 300k an episode. You already have fucking dirt cheap reality shows, that we all know suck but they fill time. Then you decide that fucking GTL is worth 50k an episode? Go **** yourself saying that you need to find more ways to get more money though ad revenue. HOW ABOUT YOU TRY TO PRODUCE BETTER CONTENT CHEAPER.
 

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[quote name="phranchk"]

It was supposedly going to happen, but that was last January. I'm guessing it was either attached to another bill and that bill was killed, or this one just got stalled in committee.[/quote]



One of the problems is not every commercial is recorded at the same place. Perhaps an industry volume standard.
 

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[quote name="jakobeast"]



One of the problems is not every commercial is recorded at the same place. Perhaps an industry volume standard.[/quote]

No, it's not hard to normalize commercial volumes so they're all the same before being broadcast. It's done on purpose. It was never a problem until recent years.
 

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[quote name="phranchk"]

No, it's not hard to normalize commercial volumes so they're all the same before being broadcast. It's done on purpose. It was never a problem until recent years.[/quote]

BINGO. When people started being able to tune them out, they blasted the volume. It's just like how some shows on my DVR are louder than others, it's very odd. The stations/networks/providers whoever, someone has control over the volume.
 

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I love when I'm watching the Military Channel and a hearing aid commercial comes on and IT'S THIS FUCKING LOUD BUT DID YOU KNOW YOUR HEARING LOSS MIGHT BE DUE TO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS EAR WAX?
 

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