Bill Simmons 2011 NBA Trade Value List

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Part one
Bill Simmons: LeBron tops the 2011 NBA Trade Value list - ESPN


Part two
Bill Simmons: LeBron tops the 2011 NBA Trade Value list - ESPN

On Rose:

4. Derrick Rose
I still have him as the MVP. If you disagree, go look at the standings, try to find me 10 games in which Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah played together, then watch Keith Bogans play for 10 minutes. Derrick Rose did more for that team through the first 50 games than anyone else did for their team; doesn't make him the best player, just the most valuable. At least so far. Of course, we can't sleep on this scenario, courtesy of Tim in Troy:

"I think we could have a Hakeem Olajuwon/David Robinson situation brewing with the 2011 MVP: What if Rose gets presented with the trophy in front of LeBron before a Bulls-Heat Round 2 playoff game? I picture a standard LeBron Eff You game (40, 10 and 10, five mean dunks, sits for the fourth quarter) making Hakeem's shakedown of The Admiral look like a birthday present."

Great call. Yet here's the difference between Rose and Robinson: Rose would get ticked off by the Eff You performance, try to match it … and then it would be on like Donkey Kong. Have I mentioned how excited I am for the 2011 playoffs? I've mentioned that, right? We're definitely getting Boston-Chicago, Boston-Miami or Chicago-Miami in Round 2. Round 2!!!! Any one of those three matchups will be old-school, '80s-style, no-handshaking bloodbaths. I can't wait for the refs to get overprotective and screw it up.

 

[pinkizdead]

I like bill simmons. he's a funny guy.

 

[Shakes]

Arron Afflalo: I wake up every morning paralyzed by fear that Chicago pried him away from Denver for a future No. 1 pick and $3 million.

I dream this too, unfortunately I then wake up and we're still starting Keith Bogans.

 

[pinkizdead]

I dream this too, unfortunately I then wake up and we're still starting Keith Bogans.

you're not alone.

 

[zack54attack]

I dream this too, unfortunately I then wake up and we're still starting Keith Bogans.

This.

 

[WearShades]

Did anyone else find it a bit odd that Rose wasn't number one? I don't mean that in a "ROSE MUST BE NUMBER ONE HE'S THE BEST PLAYER" way, because he's not (in fact I'd have those three guys ahead of him too if it was just a best player list). However, if the way it's rated is by their value in a trade than wouldn't Rose, who's in the third year of a rookie contract, be the best value? Durant, James, and Howard are all on new contracts, all of which are at or near the max. Rose won't be maxed out until the 2012-13 season. Just a thought.

 

[Shakes]

It's about trade value, which is more than just performance per dollar. When you get to the really top guys you'd pay whatever it takes to get them. Simmons also said on his podcast about it that LeBron was #1 but he found it really hard to separate the Howard/Durant/Rose group.

 

[WearShades]

It's about trade value, which is more than just performance per dollar. When you get to the really top guys you'd pay whatever it takes to get them. Simmons also said on his podcast about it that LeBron was #1 but he found it really hard to separate the Howard/Durant/Rose group.

Even so, one would think a super star player that eats up next to none of your cap room would be a greater trade asset than a max contract guy.

 

[Shakes]

Even so, one would think a super star player that eats up next to none of your cap room would be a greater trade asset than a max contract guy.

Cap room isn't valuable enough to make up the difference. I mean who are you going to spend the extra room on (assuming you had it) this summer? Not Melo who if he makes it to free agency already knows where he's going. There are free agents in 2012 that are worthwhile but Rose will be on a max deal by then.

 

[WearShades]

Cap room isn't valuable enough to make up the difference. I mean who are you going to spend the extra room on (assuming you had it) this summer? Not Melo who if he makes it to free agency already knows where he's going. There are free agents in 2012 that are worthwhile but Rose will be on a max deal by then.

You're taking it deeper than you should. It's a basic concept of value, and Rose gives more bang for buck.

 

[Shakes]

You're taking it deeper than you should. It's a basic concept of value, and Rose gives more bang for buck.

Simmons qualifies how the column works: it assumes you're GM for a day and you're deciding whether you'd trade player A for player B (assuming that there are no trade rules about matching salary). If you have LeBron there's nobody in the league that you would trade him for straight up, it's immediate hang up the phone on anyone who would suggest it. Where as if the Heat called up the Bulls and said "Hey, we'll swap LeBron for Rose" the Bulls have to at least consider it.

Therefore by the premise of the column LeBron has more value than Rose.

 

[WearShades]

Simmons qualifies how the column works: it assumes you're GM for a day and you're deciding whether you'd trade player A for player B (assuming that there are no trade rules about matching salary). If you have LeBron there's nobody in the league that you would trade him for straight up, it's immediate hang up the phone on anyone who would suggest it. Where as if the Heat called up the Bulls and said "Hey, we'll swap LeBron for Rose" the Bulls have to at least consider it.

Therefore by the premise of the column LeBron has more value than Rose.

I understand and agree, by those standards you'd have to go with the best player and that player is James. My argument was that by the contracts Rose was a better value. That's all.

 

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I understand and agree, by those standards you'd have to go with the best player and that player is James. My argument was that by the contracts Rose was a better value. That's all.

If I am not mistaken, Simmons talked about how difficult a decision it was to pick Lebron, but based on the level of talent, he felt you move heaven and earth to get him for any other player in the league in a 1 for 1 deal.

 

[WearShades]

If I am not mistaken, Simmons talked about how difficult a decision it was to pick Lebron, but based on the level of talent, he felt you move heaven and earth to get him for any other player in the league in a 1 for 1 deal.

Yeah I get that. If money is not a factor you have to pick him.