Brent Morel To Get Promoted

[DewsSox79]

Brent Morel: Third base help on the way - chicagotribune.com

 

[DewsSox79]

What do you guys think? Anyone think he gets alot of playing time?

 

[Lefty]

Wow, I didn't realize he had bounced back so much from the bad start he got off to in AAA: .328/.348/.503 in 324 PA's. Given that high AVG, his "meh" OBP in AAA is a little bothersome for me, but I would like to see him split time with Teahen at 3B, if only to see how he might fit in to this team's future.

 

[DewsSox79]

Wow, I didn't realize he had bounced back so much from the bad start he got off to in AAA: .328/.348/.503 in 324 PA's. Given that high AVG, his "meh" OBP in AAA is a little bothersome for me, but I would like to see him split time with Teahen at 3B, if only to see how he might fit in to this team's future.

im curious to see if the plan is morel at 3b and danyan at 1b in the near future.

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

The last indians game where teahen played 3B was enough for me he sucks! Morel can split time with Vizquel

 

[Jntg4]

How near of a future? How long do you guys think you keep Konerko?

 

[Livewire]

How near of a future? How long do you guys think you keep Konerko?

Considering he very well could be AL MVP if Hamilton did not have the season he is... I would say at least a 3 year extension?

I don't know I am guessing.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

Konerko definitely isn't a runner up MVP right now...

 

[Montanaro]

Well, if Ramirez leaves, I could see Paul going to DH if Viciedo can improve his plate discipline.

 

[waldo7239117]

I think Hamilton and Miggy could be 1-2 in MVP voting.

 

[DewsSox79]

hamilton
cabrera
cano
konerko

 

[Lefty]

Konerko has definitely played his way into the AL MVP discussion. He's not going to win, but he has at least entered the discussion. And with that, the Sox almost have to sign him to an extension, because if they even floated the idea of letting PK go to Free Agency, countless meatballs throughout the city would burst into flames.

I don't know if I'd want Konerko back. This has been a career-year for him, and that's great, but at the same time we have to realize that he is 34 now and outside of this season, has been hampered by injuries and generally declining play since hitting 30.

I guess it all depends on what he wants, really. If he's willing to come back for 2yrs/$12 million per, ok, fine. But if he starts clamoring for a raise or a longer-term contract to take him well into his 30's, I say offer him arb, take the draft picks and spend the money elsewhere.

 

[Got teeth? Keith doesn't.]

Josh Hamilton
Robinson Cano
Miguel Cabrera
Adrian Beltre
Jose Bautista
Evan Longoria
Paul Konerko

 

[Montanaro]

Konerko has definitely played his way into the AL MVP discussion. He's not going to win, but he has at least entered the discussion. And with that, the Sox almost have to sign him to an extension, because if they even floated the idea of letting PK go to Free Agency, countless meatballs throughout the city would burst into flames.

I don't know if I'd want Konerko back. This has been a career-year for him, and that's great, but at the same time we have to realize that he is 34 now and outside of this season, has been hampered by injuries and generally declining play since hitting 30.

I guess it all depends on what he wants, really. If he's willing to come back for 2yrs/$12 million per, ok, fine. But if he starts clamoring for a raise or a longer-term contract to take him well into his 30's, I say offer him arb, take the draft picks and spend the money elsewhere.

Guess you would have to factor in his intangibles, and whether or not he's ready to move to DH.

As we have found out, finding a solid DH isn't easy, better to hold onto the cards you have.

 

[Lefty]

Guess you would have to factor in his intangibles, and whether or not he's ready to move to DH.

As we have found out, finding a solid DH isn't easy, better to hold onto the cards you have.

1) If they're "intangible", how does one "factor them in"? Moreover, paying a 34-year old first-baseman with balky knees and hand problems big money following a career season that came on the heels of 3 declining seasons just because he's a nice guy is no way to run a baseball team.

2) Of course finding a solid DH easy, or at least, not as hard as the organization made it out to be this season. And if I remember correctly, the Sox had Jim Thome practically begging to come back to the team at a fraction of what he had been previously paid...that's pretty "easy", no?

This team has gotten replacement-level (below it, at times) production from the DH spot not because of some phantom difficulty at acquiring a respectable DH, but rather because Ozzie is an imbecile. Yes, Kenny Williams is responsible for the construction of this team, and I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for placing part of the blame on him, but the fact of the matter is that Ozzie Guillen was handed the opportunity to effectively decide if the Sox would acquire another solid player to be their DH, and he chose Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones over Jim Thome, and therefore he deserves at least some of the blame as well for the atrocious production we have gotten from the DH spot this year.

Furthermore, I wouldn't blame KW for the lack of a true DH almost all season as much as others would. I think that some time ago (perhaps as far back as 2005-06, but more likely somewhere around 2008), Kenny lost some discretionary powers to Ozzie Guillen via Jerry Reinsdorf. I don't think Kenny has complete control over the roster anymore, and I further surmise that JR has effectively turned KW into a middle-man between Ozzie Guillen and the roster that he (Guillen) wants. And to top it all off, I think Kenny has the authority to fire Ozzie (if need be) any longer, and hasn't had it for some time.

 

[Montanaro]

By factoring in intangibles, I mean kenny and ozzie will need to qualify Konerko's personal traits. I know that you know what I meant, and they are calculable.

Paul is our captain, so he must have some value and I've often heard he is the glue of the team. If he's got coach quality to him, I think he would be good to keep around in some capacity. It's more than just being a nice guy, but I know you realize this, you just like "encouraging" discussion.

 

[Lefty]

By factoring in intangibles, I mean kenny and ozzie will need to qualify Konerko's personal traits. I know that you know what I meant, and they are calculable.

Paul is our captain, so he must have some value and I've often heard he is the glue of the team. If he's got coach quality to him, I think he would be good to keep around in some capacity. It's more than just being a nice guy, but I know you realize this, you just like "encouraging" discussion.

Please, that "glue" and "clubhouse guy" stuff is such asinine bullcrap. It means nothing, at least relative to things that actually matter, like performance, age, declining abilities, salary, payroll, overall value, value relative to returned draft picks, etc.

Things like that can't be calculated, can't be quantified, nor can they be shown to exist in any significant amount as a definite, repeatable skill that has definite value. All this "intangible" stuff has become the Alamo for real "basebally" types that are trying to reconcile their antiquated beliefs with the introduction of facts and studies and numbers that show many of those beliefs to be complete falsehoods. And they revel in the notion that what they purport as fact is seemingly irreconcilably intertwined with other variables and sample-size issues, seizing on the fact that it can't be specifically dis-proven and heralding it as implicit validation of their crap.

 

[Montanaro]

Please, that "glue" and "clubhouse guy" stuff is such asinine bullcrap. It means nothing, at least relative to things that actually matter, like performance, age, declining abilities, salary, payroll, overall value, value relative to returned draft picks, etc.

Things like that can't be calculated, can't be quantified, nor can they be shown to exist in any significant amount as a definite, repeatable skill that has definite value. All this "intangible" stuff has become the Alamo for real "basebally" types that are trying to reconcile their antiquated beliefs with the introduction of facts and studies and numbers that show many of those beliefs to be complete falsehoods. And they revel in the notion that what they purport as fact is seemingly irreconcilably intertwined with other variables and sample-size issues, seizing on the fact that it can't be specifically dis-proven and heralding it as implicit validation of their crap.

I take it your an atheist.

 

[Lefty]

Very astute

 

[hsvj60]

"If" Morel & Dayan go to 3b & 1b, and that is a big "IF", then I see PK leaving and CQ going to Dh/ with Mitchell and Danks battling for the 3 & 4 spots in the OF. This I say because this team is going to get younger real soon and I believe PK, AJ, Jenks & Beurhle are pretty much outta here especially if KW is gone! "If? again a big "IF",KW stays all bets are off...