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Florida law would turn its publicly funded ballparks and stadiums into homeless shelters (when not in use).



Could the new Marlins ballpark or the Tampa Bay Rays' Tropicana Field serve as a homeless shelter for the 270 or so nights a year that they're not used for baseball?

If two Florida lawmakers have their way, they might. As reported by the Miami Herald, state legislators have unearthed an obscure law that has not been enforced since it was adopted in 1988. It states that any ballpark or stadium that receives taxpayer money shall serve as a homeless shelter on the dates that it is not in use.

Now, a new bill would punish owners of teams who play in publicly funded stadiums if they don't provide a haven for the homeless. Affected ballparks would include the Miami Marlins' new ballpark in Miami's Little Havana, the Tampa Bay Rays' Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg and several spring training facilities. It also includes the homes of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Miami Heat, Jacksonville Jaguars and Florida Panthers.

The newspaper estimates that owners might have to return $30 million in benefits that were already bestowed if the bill passes and they can't prove they were running homeless shelters (to the newspaper's knowledge, no teams have been).

From the Miami Herald:


Senate Bill 816, which would make teams and stadium owners return millions of taxpayer dollars if they can't prove that they've been operating as a haven for the homeless on non-event nights, passed its first committee in the Senate on Monday with a unanimous vote.

"We have spent over $300 million supporting teams that can afford to pay a guy $7, $8, $10 million a year to throw a baseball 90 feet. I think they can pay for their own stadium," said Sen. Michael Bennett, R-Bradenton, who is sponsoring the bill. "I can not believe that we're going to cut money out of Medicaid and take it away from the homeless and take it away from the poor and impoverished, and we're continuing to support people who are billionaires."​

With this being an election year, it's not too much of a surprise that state lawmakers might find a headline-grabbing way to show that they're concerned about the rights of the little people. And what better target than professional sports, where exorbitant salaries and construction costs are printed in the newspaper every day?

I don't suspect that this bill will pass, though. The rich folk behind the ballparks have way too much lobbying power. The homeless advocacy does not. It's simple math.

I have to admit that it's a pretty noble thought if the lawmakers are sincere, though. One of the biggest struggles that homeless shelters face is finding suitable real estate and it's not as if they'd be given the run of the ballparks or arenas. A simple corridor lined with cots each night could go a long way to helping a lot of people. I'd be interested to hear what Rays manager Joe Maddon — a big advocate for the homeless — thinks of all this.

Also, the thought of Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria ladling soup and handing out bedrolls while worrying about someone messing with his giant fish tanks or art sculptures amuses me way more than it should.



http://sports.yahoo....-151458504.html



Interesting. I don't dislike the idea, but I wonder who is going to "babysit" and clean up after them?
 

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Interesting. I don't dislike the idea, but I wonder who is going to "babysit" and clean up after them?



Yeah, could be quite a mess. Would they stay in tents on the field?
 

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I agree with the gubmint. If these owners can afford millions for a guy to throw a ball or whatever, and their stadiums were/are paid for by tax payers, then they should be used for community needs, be it homeless shelter, cub scout meetings, whatever.



However, what is the cost of security? Who will pay that? Should the tax payer cover that also? I mean, just cause an owner has millions, doesn't translate into him having to be on the hook for that, right?
 

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Interesting idea. I am not totally against such a thought but there are a lot of logistics that would have to be accounted for. I just don't see how you could usher in the homeless and usher hem out on game days so easily. Cleanliness is going to be a huge problem.



But, in Vancouver we have found out that 'If you build it they will come'.



The city of Vancouver advocated and supplied 800 shelters for the approximate 1500 homeless they counted on the east end. After housing the 800, they counted again and found out they still had 1500 homeless. Now we jsut have more vagrants that have migrated here in hopes of a free room.
 

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I agree with the gubmint. If these owners can afford millions for a guy to throw a ball or whatever, and their stadiums were/are paid for by tax payers, then they should be used for community needs, be it homeless shelter, cub scout meetings, whatever.



However, what is the cost of security? Who will pay that? Should the tax payer cover that also? I mean, just cause an owner has millions, doesn't translate into him having to be on the hook for that, right?

This is exactly why they are trying to do this. To make a statement against privately owned sports teams getting lots of 'public aid' and not giving enough back to the community.



Besides that, the idea is silly unless its during a disaster like the dome in N'awlins. The logistics would be a nightmate to have a ball park be a shelter at night.
 

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Well, some one's gotta fill the Marlin's ballpark.
 

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Yeah, if you read the user comments under the article in yahoo, there are lots of fun comments.
 

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Interesting idea. I am not totally against such a thought but there are a lot of logistics that would have to be accounted for. I just don't see how you could usher in the homeless and usher hem out on game days so easily. Cleanliness is going to be a huge problem.



But, in Vancouver we have found out that 'If you build it they will come'.



The city of Vancouver advocated and supplied 800 shelters for the approximate 1500 homeless they counted on the east end. After housing the 800, they counted again and found out they still had 1500 homeless. Now we jsut have more vagrants that have migrated here in hopes of a free room.



Thats part of the migration problems for sure. The other big one is climate and the fact that provinces like Quebec in the past have rented buses to send homeless and street kids here. I can't believe they get away with that.



I typically have no issues with the homeless population in downtown Vancouver. I even find most cleaner than the fucktards that hang out in front of the chic clubs on the weekend. I have been living in the core for years now and you get to know some of these homeless people. Most are respectful of public space and the retail spaces. I mean how many homeless people did you see rioting and making a mess of shit? None.



I don't know what the big issue is of having people secluded to one large space helping them out a bit and then doing some little clean up in that area. Wouldn't that be easier and less expensive to police and clean than a bunch of pocket areas? I don't know about places like Florida but here the homeless community are non violent and police themselves pretty good in my opinion. I feel no threat from the homeless community here nor from the junkies on Hastings to be honest. I don't very often hear of homeless people raping, murdering or beating up the none homeless. I sure hear it the other way around though.
 

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I agree with you Dream, I have had the occasional stroll on Hastings and have never felt unsafe. I often drop my kid off at the Rickshaw so he can see some band I have never heard of. I think the last one was "Wolves in the Throne Room" or something like that, lol. That is a story in itself as when I went to pick him up the bouncer let me in. Yeesh what noise.
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The only thing I really feared in Vancouver was the STDs from the hookers and the fucking Bicylists.



LMAO. Vancouver bicyclists are the cream of the shit pile. I am one but I still know that big car eats bicycle for breakfast. I yield to anything that looks like it will make me a pancake..i think that's common sense. I think. It is Vancouver though..not sure if common sense exists here very often.



Why were you buying hookers here?
 

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1.) I have nothing against bikers. I love riding my bike around, scares me in downtown Chicago sometimes, but there are ample paths that I can get out on too and enjoy. Love going off on trails as well. BUT the experience I had in Van with MULTIPLE bike riders was beyond anything I have experienced from riders in ANY other city. I wasn't even driving the car, my friend who lives there was so it's not like I was doing some stupid American driving shit. One guy with his baby carrier on the back, you know the little like bike wagon thing for kids, which he was using to haul what looked to be his entire life and not an acutal kid, at one point started chasing us down to give us the finger and spit on the windshield. He didn't like the fact that (I dont' remember the road but it was a busier main strip) we honked at him to move out of the way because he was taking up the entire lane and even swerving into the on coming lane while going as slowly as possible (think sunday stroll about 4 miles an hour) at what basically was rush hour. And we were the ass holes. You'd think we had jumped the curb onto some bike path that was his private property and asking him to burn in the firey pits of hell. The language he used would have scared his imaginary baby for life. And that was just one guy.



2.) Why not?
 

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It was probably Gregor!
 

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Interesting. I don't dislike the idea, but I wonder who is going to "babysit" and clean up after them?

Maybe, and this is just a hunch, maybe you try and get them to clean up after themselves in exchange.



The thing is, I don't see why the owners got the corporate welfare for $30M, but like any other welfare, I think that if you use it, you're subject to policies about it, and if that means in florida that you use your stadium to provide a night's rest for the homeless, and maybe a hot meal and a shower in exchage for them tidying up, then do so.
 

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They get money because it provides jobs, tourism, economy and other things that create taxes that flow the money back to the government. What ever the government gave them, they'll get back eventually through taxes that they will recieve that they wouldn't have gotten if the team wasn't there. Don't forget the lovely taxes on the players salaries as well.It is just like any other stimulus program, bail out, tarp, social welfare program ect...
 

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