Bulls Not Willing To Pay Stoudemire

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By adding to their pile of assets and expiring contracts, the Bulls are hoping to be in position to get Toronto's Chris Bosh at the trade deadline or next summer. There may be other targets, such as Carlos Boozer or Amare Stoudemire.

That raises another question: If the Suns have discussed moving Stoudemire to Golden State or Houston, why aren't the Bulls getting involved? They probably would if Stoudemire agreed to a contract extension worth $14-15 million per season. The Bulls don't want to make the trade and then pony up $20 million per when Stoudemire becomes a free agent next year. They'd feel better paying Bosh that kind of money.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=303249

Ridiculous. If we trade for Amare, our money is tied up. There is no cap flexibility until some guys come off their contracts. It wouldn't matter if Amare is making $15 million or $20 million, if you plan on having him part of your core trying to compete for a championship.

As wrong as Amare doesn't fall off, we could still probably pawn him off for expiring contracts if we're not happy.

The Reinsdork's cheapness strikes again!

 

[Bullsman24]

i guess they think they can sign bosh next offseason, but hey, i guess they are also higher on bosh, which i'm happy with.

better acquisition in my opinion

 

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bullsman24 wrote:

i guess they think they can sign bosh next offseason, but hey, i guess they are also higher on bosh, which i'm happy with.

better acquisition in my opinion

Signing Bosh is going to require us to sacrifice either Gordon or Hinrich. We probably can get Stoudemire while keeping both Gordon and Hinrich.

And I think Stoudemire is the far superior player anyhow...of course, Bosh doesn't have quite the injury concerns.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Again, this I feel is a matter of taste between Bosh or Stoudamire. Let's not be picky here, either one would be a HUGE asset to the team. Obviously if Stoudamire is available to acquire you GO FOR IT. Tax or no tax, Reinsdorf needs to realize that if we get Stoudamire, he'll make a LOT more money. First you don't want to pay BG, which I can at least see the rationale behind, but not pay Amare?? Ridiculous.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

I wish Paul Allen was our owner.

 

[Hendu0520]

Well I think that Bosh and Stoudemire are just different, but both great. The bottom line is that it is hard to pick up these type of players and if you get a chance to get one you have to go for it. So I agree P03, If we were to get Stoudemire why not pay him 20 mil? If that is true than your right it is just Reinsdorf being cheap again, it is pathetic watching the other big market teams act like big market teams and we act like the Utah Jazz.

 

[Bullsman24]

i wish we had marc cuban even more fun. especially if pax is still gm

 

[TheStig]

I don't think its necessairly as much to do with us not wanting to pay him. I can't see how we can possible stack up to a GSW offer of Biendris, Curry and Wright. Biendris has much more value than anyone besides Rose and Curry also has a lot of value and is on a rookie deal. If it is only are unwillingness to pay, then its terrible, but I don't think this is like the Gasol situation where we don't wanna pay. We don't have the assests to get it done and if I were GSW, I wouldn't do that trade. I would insist on something like Ellis, Wright, unprotected first and filler. Biendris is the perfect big to put next to Stat and Curry is gonna be good.

 

[Kush77]

I don't think Golden State is giving much at all in this deal.

I'm not sold on Curry. Great shooter, but we'll see how he does.
Biedrins is basically Tyson Chandler, gets his boards but has zero offensive skill. Biedrins doesn't take a shot from more than 3 feet away from the basket.
And Brandon Wright has played 77 career games and hasn't done much.

Amare Stoudemire is one of the best players in the NBA. I think Golden State is getting a steal if this goes through. Stoudemire will more than take care of the production lost with Biedrins, and they won't miss Wright and obviously Curry. So I don't think G.S. is giving up much at all

Maybe a package of Hinrich, Thomas and the picks could of got it done? I don't know, but I would be surprised is uncle Jerry is being his cheap self. But hey, let's buy the Phoenix Coyotes.

 

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Kush77 wrote:

I don't think Golden State is giving much at all in this deal.

I'm not sold on Curry. Great shooter, but we'll see how he does.
Biedrins is basically Tyson Chandler, gets his boards but has zero offensive skill. Biedrins doesn't take a shot from more than 3 feet away from the basket.
And Brandon Wright has played 77 career games and hasn't done much.

Amare Stoudemire is one of the best players in the NBA. I think Golden State is getting a steal if this goes through. Stoudemire will more than take care of the production lost with Biedrins, and they won't miss Wright and obviously Curry. So I don't think G.S. is giving up much at all

Maybe a package of Hinrich, Thomas and the picks could of got it done? I don't know, but I would be surprised is uncle Jerry is being his cheap self. But hey, let's buy the Phoenix Coyotes.

But professional hockey needs to be saved in Phoenix! Because a team in the desert makes so much more sense than a team in say...Milwaukee...

I have to disagree on Curry. I think he will be a good pro player. Not a guy you build around. A rich man's Pargo / poor man's Gordon, which is pretty good when you're picking at 7th. I think Curry will be a starter in the league, and one of the best 4th / 5th starters you can ask for. If Curry is one of your main guys, that's a problem.

Also, I don't get the critics who say Amare Stoudemire had a bad year last year. He scored 21.4 PPG on 61.7 TS%. That's better than anyone on the Bulls, including the good one, Ben Gordon. Bad by Amare's standards? Yeah...but that's just because Amare is probably the best offensive talent in the entire NBA. The guy is only one year removed from a season where he scored 25 PPG and led the league in scoring efficiency.

As long as Amare's eye isn't permanently damaged beyond repair, which the Bulls would find out during the physical / medical examination, then you trade for the guy, and give him his big ass extension. You would be putting three extremely great offensive talents in Rose/Gordon/Amare together. Put some shooters and defenders around those three, and you should be able to compete for a championship.

 

[pyobuttah]

Guys, I really disagree with people thinking Stephen Curry is a shooting guard. He played point last year for a Davidson team that literally had no one else that could score. His sophomore year, he played shooting guard as the point was very solid and allowed him to play shooting guard and obviously very well. Curry will not be as good as Ben Gordon at SG, but he could be like a Nash type player like Nellie referred to because of his IQ, ability to shoot, the way he can get shots off, and yes, his passing ability! Curry will not be as good of a passer, but a better scorer!

People don't realize that Nash was the same type of player at UC-Santa Clara! He was a score to an extent, less athletic, and a playmaker first. If you can find videos of Stephen Curry, he had some of the best passes of any collegiate player this year! He is not just a shooter like a J.J. Reddick as he is a little more athletic, and the way he can get off shots that are hard to defend. For example, you should see his flick shots, reverse spin shots, etc... S. Curry has been my favorite player to watch in college since Ray Allen!

Curry still has to get better at point and decision making, but his IQ is 2nd highest in the draft to Rubio, and he can pass, initiate, scorer, and scorer in ways that not many players can! Let him learn this year with Nellie as to when to pass/scorer and see how good he is in 2 years!

I would not trade him straight up for Amare cause of contract and he will be one of the top points (mark my word) in 2 years!

Personally, I would love to have Amare, but I don't know what we could do to beat G.S. offer of Biedris/Wright, etc..

 

[pinkizdead]

pyobuttah wrote:

Personally, I would love to have Amare, but I don't know what we could do to beat G.S. offer of Biedris/Wright, etc..

noah's stock has risen. he has a cheaper contract than Biedrins . they do about the same thing. the only thing is that biendrins is better offensively.

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

I don't think Golden State is giving much at all in this deal.

I'm not sold on Curry. Great shooter, but we'll see how he does.
Biedrins is basically Tyson Chandler, gets his boards but has zero offensive skill. Biedrins doesn't take a shot from more than 3 feet away from the basket.
And Brandon Wright has played 77 career games and hasn't done much.

Amare Stoudemire is one of the best players in the NBA. I think Golden State is getting a steal if this goes through. Stoudemire will more than take care of the production lost with Biedrins, and they won't miss Wright and obviously Curry. So I don't think G.S. is giving up much at all

Maybe a package of Hinrich, Thomas and the picks could of got it done? I don't know, but I would be surprised is uncle Jerry is being his cheap self. But hey, let's buy the Phoenix Coyotes.

Kush are you delusional? Hinrich, TT and a couple of non lottery picks versus a young defensive center that is among the leading rebounders and fg% players in the league, a former lottery pick in Wright(equiv to TT) and a good #7 pick who has probably the third most potential in the draft. Common, their offer is much better. Tyson Chandler is an on again off again injured version of Biendris. Biendris beat him in every statistical category this year except ft% and he played 2 less minutes per game and got shut down at the end of the yr so the kids could play. Plus Biendris is only 22, he is no where near his prime. Curry will also be good in his career. That is a lot of value for someone on a borrowed knee, with his eye falling out and wants a 120 mill next yr and may still leave with no compensation. And you wanna say Kirk is gonna get you the same value?


Also before the warriors season went in the toliet, Biendris was putting up 14+ppg and 13+rpg with close to 2bpg. He was a beast before the whole team went downhill.

 

[Bullsman24]

who else do you expect to rebound on their team??? noah would be averaging 16+ppg and 18+rpg, and is already a great blocker in that system. the rest of the team has the lowest FG% that we have pretty much ever seen, and he's the only rebounder on the whole team. there's lots of rebounds to go round.

 

[TheStig]

bullsman24 wrote:

who else do you expect to rebound on their team??? noah would be averaging 16+ppg and 18+rpg, and is already a great blocker in that system. the rest of the team has the lowest FG% that we have pretty much ever seen, and he's the only rebounder on the whole team. there's lots of rebounds to go round.

Thats a rediculous statement. He still has to go and score on normal nba defenses. He still has to rebound against big players. They just aren't on his team. Are Dwight Howards numbers exaggerated too then, he plays with a bunch of shooters and no real pf? And if it is only him rebounding why is GSW in the top half of teams in rebounds per game? Also Noah would come nowhere near 16_ppg or 18rpg. Common now be serious.

 

[PJ Brown]

I would rather have Bosh, so it doesn't break my heart, but I feel like many underestimating the true cost of Amar'e. When you consider how high the price tag to acquire him is (right now, higher than we can even match if we wanted to) and then combine that with a $20 million per year extension, I'd rank the risk a bit too high. High enough, that there could be more to it than cheapness. Now if they aren't willing to pony up for Bosh, too, then sure, they don't really want to get it done. I tend to think they do, howver, but that bad knees, bad eye, big money, half your team in trade and some locker room/teammate issues just adds up to a bit too risky situation.