...But of course we can change the planet!

[The Count Dante]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/314666/40/Electric-car-owner-charged-with-stealing-5-cents-worth-of-juice</p>


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<p style="color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size:16px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">CHAMBLEE, Ga. -- One Saturday in November, Kaveh Kamooneh drove his Nissan Leaf to Chamblee Middle School, where his 11-year-old son was playing tennis. </p>
<p style="color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size:16px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Kamooneh had taken the liberty of charging the electric car with an exterior outlet at the school. Within minutes of plugging in the car, he says a Chamblee police officer appeared.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size:16px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">"He said that he was going to charge me with theft by taking because I was taking power, electricity from the school," Kamooneh said.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(44,44,44);font-size:16px;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Kamooneh says he had charged his car for 20 minutes, drawing about a nickel's worth of juice. Don Francis of Clean Cities Atlanta, an electric vehicle advocacy group, says the estimate of 5 cents is accurate.</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

While I agree that it was innocent and he only got about 5 cents. He still shouldn't be allowed to do it. It sets a poor precedent.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

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While I agree that it was innocent and he only got about 5 cents. He still shouldn't be allowed to do it. It sets a poor precedent.</p>
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Lets go with that. And I wont say i agree. </p>


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But he was BOOKED! Not warned, not told to move it, but ARRESTED! </p>


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I hate cops. I HATE cops. HATE!</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

I didn't mean that he should be arrested.... I just mean that someone should have gone out there and told him to stop and he should have complied.</p>


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I just think it's a really bad precedent to have people with electric cars walk around with an air of arrogance about it to the point where they think it's just natural to plug in wherever they want because it's only like a nickel of power. Is it theft... no but it's rude and common sense that just because the outlet is there doesn't mean they can use it. How would like like if I walked up and pluged my phone charger into their car and charged my phone for a half hour.... it's only about 2 cents worth.</p>


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You can see where I"m going with it, it's all downhill.</p>

 

[jaxhawksfan]

Aren't all Leaf drivers all arrogant pricks to begin with?</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

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Aren't all Leaf drivers all arrogant pricks to begin with?</p>
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Sounds like they may compete with cops then?</p>

 

[jaxhawksfan]

It is true that many officers of the law were the kids who were bullied and stuffed into lockers as children.</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

The guy was wrong to plug in where he did.  The arrest should have never happened,(warning would have been sufficient) but if I was that officers superior to set a precedent I would fire him for being an ASSHOLE. To many arrogant cops out there that forget who they are working for.</p>

 

[jaxhawksfan]

If that were the case, congress would have been fired long ago.</p>

 

[supraman]

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The guy was wrong to plug in where he did.  The arrest should have never happened,(warning would have been sufficient) but if I was that officers superior to set a precedent I would fire him for being an ASSHOLE. To many arrogant cops out there that forget who they are working for.</p>
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All the cop needed to do was to telling the person to stop and that it is technically theft.</p>


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If that were the case, congress would have been fired long ago.</p>
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Im okay with that</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

I look at this a lot like jacking Wi-fi.  Technically, yes, it is theft.  Realitically the cost is minute.  There is something to be said about the additional "loads" on the system that could possible overload the system, and ultimately, much like Wifi, I think it chould be up to the owner of the jack to secure it from electric vehicles stealing power, even though they do have the perogative to tell them to stop stealing their power.</p>


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Arresting was a bit harsh--even if it was to send a message.</p>


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But yeah, these so called "Greenies" are insufferable and have too much of a holier-than-thou attitude.  The actual environmental impact of hybrid or electric vehicles is not that much better than standard "smoke means progress" vehicles.</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

Here's the thing, the story is whatever they want the story to be, the Sargent definitely shouldn't have arrested him...11 days later... but I will revise my original statement to with the way the guy was acting he should have been arrested on on the spot.</p>


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The guy said that he routinely uses public outlets. He said. and I quote "Normally, I mean the value is so little, that you don't typically ask permission"</p>


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The report stated</p>


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We received a 911 call advising that someone was plugged into the power outlet behind the middle school. The responding officer located the vehicle in the rear of the building at the kitchen loading dock up against the wall with a cord run to an outlet. The officer spent some time trying to determine whose vehicle it was. It was unlocked and he eventually began looking through the interior after verifying it did not belong to the school system.

The officer, his marked patrol vehicle and the electric vehicle were all in clear view of the tennis courts. Eventually, a man on the courts told the officer that the man playing tennis with him owned the vehicle. The officer went to the courts and interviewed the vehicle owner. The officer's initial incident report gives a good indication of how difficult and argumentative the individual was to deal with. He made no attempt to apologize or simply say oops and he wouldn't do it again. Instead he continued being argumentative, acknowledged he did not have permission and then accused the officer of having damaged his car door. The officer told him that was not true and that the vehicle and existing damage was already on his vehicles video camera from when he drove up.

Given the uncooperative attitude and accusations of damage to his vehicle, the officer chose to document the incident on an incident report. The report was listed as misdemeanor theft by taking. The officer had no way of knowing how much power had been consumed, how much it cost nor how long it had been charging.


The report made its way to Sgt Ford's desk for a follow up investigation. He contacted the middle school and inquired of several administrative personnel whether the individual had permission to use power. He was advised no. Sgt. Ford showed a photo to the school resource officer who recognized Mr. Kamooneh. <span style="font-size:14px;">Sgt Ford was further advised that Mr. Kamooneh had previously been advised he was not allowed on the school tennis courts without permission from the school . This was apparently due to his interfering with the use of the tennis courts previously during school hours.</span>


Based upon the totality of these circumstances and without any expert advice on the amount of electricity that may have been used, Sgt Ford signed a theft warrant. The warrant was turned over to the DeKalb Sheriffs Dept for service because the individual lived in Decatur, not Chamblee. This is why he was arrested at a later time.

I am sure that Sgt. Ford was feeling defensive when he said a theft is a theft and he would do it again. Ultimately, Sgt. Ford did make the decision to pursue the theft charges, but the decision was based on Mr. Kamooneh having been advised that he was not allowed on the property without permission. Had he complied with that notice none of this would have occurred. Mr. Kamooneh's son is not a student at the middle school and he was not the one playing tennis. Mr. Kamooneh was taking lessons himself.</p>
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**** this guy,.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

Agreed Mass.  There's nothing in that which I can disagree with.  While it's true that not all cops are pigs (Some of them are dicks), ge followed the letter of the law and the Tree-hugger got what he deserved.</p>


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Assuming of course that your report is factual .</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

Well either way, no matter how factual it is or isn't the shit coming out of his mouth in the video interview and the fact that the school confirmed he was told not to be there and he still kept coming back... **** that dude.</p>

 

[supraman]

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Here's the thing, the story is whatever they want the story to be, the Sargent definitely shouldn't have arrested him...11 days later... but I will revise my original statement to with the way the guy was acting he should have been arrested on on the spot.</p>


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The guy said that he routinely uses public outlets. He said. and I quote "Normally, I mean the value is so little, that you don't typically ask permission"</p>


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The report stated</p>


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**** this guy,.</p>
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I hate everyone.</p>

 

[supraman]

Ya know I have talked to cops a total of 3 times. All three I was polite and respectful. They were professional. Why do people think they have the right to be dickheads.</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

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Ya know I have talked to cops a total of 3 times. All three I was polite and respectful. They were professional. Why do people think they have the right to be dickheads.</p>
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I have talked to cops quite a few times. It is a bad rap as they have to be dicks most of the time to get what they are trying to get at. Part of the initial detain is to rattle/frustrate/anger you. </p>


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Like this incident... and it is cliche, but this cop has NOTHING better to do then mess with a guy who plugged in a plug? NOTHING better to do? Cops in big cities like chicago I dont have a problem with for the most part. THEY have better things to do. But in smaller towns? Cops are dicks and I like to have fun at their expense. </p>


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This, is a cop that has nothing better to do and therefore, a dick. he hasnt helped the greater good, he is just a fat kid that got picked on and couldnt get a job as a bouncer. </p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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If that were the case, congress would have been fired long ago.</p>
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Except for my rep of course, who's just dandy!  Why can't the other ones be like him (or her)?  </p>

 

[supraman]

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I have talked to cops quite a few times. It is a bad rap as they have to be dicks most of the time to get what they are trying to get at. Part of the initial detain is to rattle/frustrate/anger you. </p>


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Like this incident... and it is cliche, but this cop has NOTHING better to do then mess with a guy who plugged in a plug? NOTHING better to do? Cops in big cities like chicago I dont have a problem with for the most part. THEY have better things to do. But in smaller towns? Cops are dicks and I like to have fun at their expense. </p>


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This, is a cop that has nothing better to do and therefore, a dick. he hasnt helped the greater good, he is just a fat kid that got picked on and couldnt get a job as a bouncer. </p>
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The one time I could have been in trouble with the cops, he was cold but professional. Needless to say I was shitting bricks and in a bit of shock after what happened. Long story.</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

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I have talked to cops quite a few times. It is a bad rap as they have to be dicks most of the time to get what they are trying to get at. Part of the initial detain is to rattle/frustrate/anger you. </p>


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Like this incident... and it is cliche, but this cop has NOTHING better to do then mess with a guy who plugged in a plug? NOTHING better to do? Cops in big cities like chicago I dont have a problem with for the most part. THEY have better things to do. But in smaller towns? Cops are dicks and I like to have fun at their expense. h</p>


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This, is a cop that has nothing better to do and therefore, a dick. he hasnt helped the greater good, he is just a fat kid that got picked on and couldnt get a job as a bouncer. </p>
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I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly, but did you read the whole article? I felt that way at first but went back and reread everything and saw the video. He was called out there. Did didn't arrest the guy even after being verbally abused. He left and was told to follow up with the school and when more facts became known they then went out and arrested him. What more was he supposed to do? Is he supposed to ignore investigating when someone calls him out to the scene? This isn't about a guy who plugged into a plug at all. See my above comments.</p>