Can Poles evaluate talent?

[didshereallysaythat]

This is the big question. We know he can tear down a roster and make the right decisions on aging contracts that are not worth it.

I have doubts though that he can find the right replacements after watching this season. Can we name one player that Poles has brought on that contributed at a high level? In free agency, I don't think there were any. Everyone sucked. Draft class is too early to tell but Gordon and Brisker seem to be reliable starters but neither flashed in the secondary like say a Sauce Gardner. Granted the DLine did no favors to help the secondary.

If we can't evaluate talent, we are the Cleveland Browns. It has to improve with the right choices.

 

[bamainatlanta]

This is the big question. We know he can tear down a roster and make the right decisions on aging contracts that are not worth it.

I have doubts though that he can find the right replacements after watching this season. Can we name one player that Poles has brought on that contributed at a high level? In free agency, I don't think there were any. Everyone sucked. Draft class is too early to tell but Gordon and Brisker seem to be reliable starters but neither flashed in the secondary like say a Sauce Gardner. Granted the DLine did no favors to help the secondary.

If we can't evaluate talent, we are the Cleveland Browns. It has to improve with the right choices.

Lol. Why didn’t the 2nd round rookie DB’s perform like a top 5 pick with an incredible pass rush in front of him? You might just want to delete that entire sentence or critique.

I agree that the easy part of this was the tear down. He has to be better than what we’ve seen so far though although to be fair, he really didn’t add anyone of note in free agency. Ogunjobi has been a massive pickup in Pittsburgh for them but he also let OG Daniels leave, who has also been a massive pickup for them as well.

 

[legendxofxlink]

This is the big question. We know he can tear down a roster and make the right decisions on aging contracts that are not worth it.

I have doubts though that he can find the right replacements after watching this season. Can we name one player that Poles has brought on that contributed at a high level? In free agency, I don't think there were any. Everyone sucked. Draft class is too early to tell but Gordon and Brisker seem to be reliable starters but neither flashed in the secondary like say a Sauce Gardner. Granted the DLine did no favors to help the secondary.

If we can't evaluate talent, we are the Cleveland Browns. It has to improve with the right choices.

Brisker and Gordon have flashed potential.. Gordon has the same amount of interceptions as Jaylon Johnson and Sauce Gardner combined. Briskers interception after being kicked in the nuts by the same QB might be the Bears defensive play of the year.

 

[SlickWilly]

Yep, one season is all you need to know if a GM is worth a shit or not.

#dumbfuck

 

[PrimeTime]

After week 15 Braxton Jones graded out as the #2 overall rookie tackle. I'm sure some don't have him graded out that high, I'm just going by what Tom Thayer said last week. If Tom think Jones can be a top level tackle with a dedicated offseason I would give Poles a pretty good grade on that 5th rd pick. Threes starters year one that will probably be starters for the next couple years is not a bad draft given the bag of shit Pace left on Poles front porch. I'll reserve judgement on Poles until I see what he does with his $30 mil gift card and a full complimentary of draft picks.

 

[Aquineas]

I believe that the question of whether Poles can evaluate talent is too general. I do not believe he's good at evaluating wide-receiver talent, for instance (neither was Pace). I do believe he'll prove to be good at evaluating o-line talent.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

He put together the number 2 oline in just one season hater

 

[PrimeTime]

I believe that the question of whether Poles can evaluate talent is too general. I do not believe he's good at evaluating wide-receiver talent, for instance (neither was Pace). I do believe he'll prove to be good at evaluating o-line talent.

^^^THIS^^^
Poles and Ian both played, scouted and coached oline. It's not surprising they found Jones in the 5th. I fully expect them to assemble a pretty good oline by next season with the cap money and drafts they have this offseason. I don't expect Poles to just go after top FA olinemen or use high draft choices on them. I believe they will use a mix of them with tier 2 level talent to build the line they want. This should be the advantage the Bears have with Poles and Ian constructing the roster.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

This is the big question. We know he can tear down a roster and make the right decisions on aging contracts that are not worth it.

I have doubts though that he can find the right replacements after watching this season. Can we name one player that Poles has brought on that contributed at a high level? In free agency, I don't think there were any. Everyone sucked. Draft class is too early to tell but Gordon and Brisker seem to be reliable starters but neither flashed in the secondary like say a Sauce Gardner. Granted the DLine did no favors to help the secondary.

If we can't evaluate talent, we are the Cleveland Browns. It has to improve with the right choices.

Huge LOL seeing @dabears70 100'ing this post after sucking Pace's **** for 7 years and blindly thinking every move he made was just awesome.

Idk about Poles, to soon to tell. You can't really judge last years FA as Bears were cap strapped with shit left from the prior regime and he was looking to fill a roster with 1-2 year prove it deals. His draft is looking average so far but could be good. Brisker/Gordon could be starters for years. Jones is serviceable as a 5th rounder. Gill seems fine. 4 starters in a draft is solid. He whiffed big on Ebner, but that'll happen more often than not in the 6th. The Velus pick is concerning.

The Claypool deal is looking bad, but I don't think when they trade went down Poles thought they would end up with the 1st/2nd pick. That paired with the poor upcoming WR FA class, I understand it. He might still work out and has been productive before.

Let's just hope he is better at managing cap then the last guy and actually hits on his first rounders at key positions. That's the big thing that has set this team back. Time will tell

 

[msadows]

This is the big question. We know he can tear down a roster and make the right decisions on aging contracts that are not worth it.

I have doubts though that he can find the right replacements after watching this season. Can we name one player that Poles has brought on that contributed at a high level? In free agency, I don't think there were any. Everyone sucked. Draft class is too early to tell but Gordon and Brisker seem to be reliable starters but neither flashed in the secondary like say a Sauce Gardner. Granted the DLine did no favors to help the secondary.

If we can't evaluate talent, we are the Cleveland Browns. It has to improve with the right choices.

For the uneducated, new GM hires normally keep the old GM's scouts on board for the first years draft process.

Poles was working with Mark Sadowski and co for this past draft. The majority of the resources at his disposal were what Pace put in place for him.

So I don't think anyone can make a decision on if Poles can or can't evaluate talent.

 

[napo55]

Yes, this is really the key question for the Bears for the next few years. I'd say it is doubtful that Poles is a good talent evaluator.

looking at the draft, the two second round DBs are looking good, especially Brisker. and 5th round pick Braxton Jones looks good.
After that, there is little to be happy about. Velus Jones, even with a few good recent plays, has been a disappintment for a 3rd round pick. The rest of the class has shown nothing to be excited about.

Free agency has also been a disappointment . None of the crowd of receivers appear to be keepers. The two trades have been a net loss. Trading Roquan for a low second round pick and giving away a very high second round pick for Claypool is a negative. Most objective people would rather have Smith, a talented young LB just coming into his prime and the second pick in the second round. Instead, we have Claypool, who has been less than spectacular, and a much lower pick in the second and a huge hole at linebacker.

Poles failure to prioritize bring in decent talent to support Justin Fields shows he lacks judgement, the most important quality for a GM. Poles has wasted a year of Fields rookie contract, and put his health at risk because the offensive line can't pass block and the receiver group are probably the worst in the league. He has also decimated the defense and created so many holes that it will take years to fill them.

Conclusion: Ryan Poles is struggling and and over his head, and will be a huge liability until he is replaced.

 

[jive]

Poles draft is OK. Not great, OK.

His free agency sucks ass. There was not a single impact player brought in. No diamonds in the rough, no successful reclamation projects, and nobody worth resigning to another contract.

 

[zabavka]

Two words, Nathan Peterman.

 

[sevvy]

It's too early to tell. This season was going to be a nightmare no matter what. This draft and FA is going to tell us a lot about Poles. But even then, we won't know until next season how the offseason actually worked out.

The fixation people have with their little narratives that they came up with are dumb. People were saying Poles sucked before he even had a full season under his belt. You don't know shit. Shut up.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

This is the big question. We know he can tear down a roster and make the right decisions on aging contracts that are not worth it.

I have doubts though that he can find the right replacements after watching this season. Can we name one player that Poles has brought on that contributed at a high level? In free agency, I don't think there were any. Everyone sucked. Draft class is too early to tell but Gordon and Brisker seem to be reliable starters but neither flashed in the secondary like say a Sauce Gardner. Granted the DLine did no favors to help the secondary.

If we can't evaluate talent, we are the Cleveland Browns. It has to improve with the right choices.

two 2nd round picks didn't flash like the 4th pick in the entire draft?

damn, who would have thought

 

[bamainatlanta]

two 2nd round picks didn't flash like the 4th pick in the entire draft?

damn, who would have thought

Yeah he hasn’t exactly explained his reasoning behind this. When Quinnen Williams was out in New York, Sauce didn’t look nearly as good without that pass rush. Evan Engram had his way with Sauce and not because of the size difference

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Yeah he hasn’t exactly explained his reasoning behind this. When Quinnen Williams was out in New York, Sauce didn’t look nearly as good without that pass rush. Evan Engram had his way with Sauce and not because of the size difference

the main complaint i see is they wanted Poles to start the rebuild last off-season and with hardly any draft picks, that means they wanted some big name FAs

we know how that ends. all these 1 year deals not working out, not really a big issue. what do you expect from 1 year deal guys?

 

[msadows]

Poles draft is OK. Not great, OK.

His free agency sucks ass. There was not a single impact player brought in. No diamonds in the rough, no successful reclamation projects, and nobody worth resigning to another contract.

What did you want him to do in FA?

Make the team just mediocre enough to not draft in the top 10? If you like that kinda franchise go watch the bulls or sox.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Poles draft is OK. Not great, OK.

His free agency sucks ass. There was not a single impact player brought in. No diamonds in the rough, no successful reclamation projects, and nobody worth resigning to another contract.

He’ll bring back Morrow and that’s about it. He never intended to keep much after this year. Watts, Jones might stick around as backups which is where they belong

 

[msadows]

He’ll bring back Morrow and that’s about it. He never intended to keep much after this year. Watts, Jones might stick around as backups which is where they belong

Would like to see Jones back, and he's technically under contract...but has a 7.5m cap hit and would save 4.9m if cut. They might say buh bye to him.