Can somebody please explain the trades to me?

[RC_Skinny22]

So Bulls traded

John Salmons + the 2011 second round pick + the 2012 second round pick + a first round pick switch (if the Bulls are not better than 10) for Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander

and

Tyrus Thomas for Ronald Murry and Acie Law + a future first round pick.

Bulls got 2 guards and two forwards.

I never heard anything from one of those guys. According to their season stats they all suck.
Salmons was a good scorer and and Thomas helped us with his blocks and rebounds. I don´t see anyone of those new guys to help a lot.


So are we done for the season? I mean we have Rose and Noah ok, but whom else we got? For me we only have a 6-8 player rotation. I don´t think we can give those new guys many minutes.

Our roster now is at 15 players

I´m ok with our starting lineup but I´m worried about the bench. The starting lineup is our core for the future, right?

Rose
Hinrich
Deng
Gibson
Noah
________________________

Johnson
Pargo
Miller
________________________

This is our rotation, right?

And then we have 6 players who I can´t see playing much?! I mean 6 players is a little too much for me.

James
Hunter
Warrick
Alexander
Murry
Law

So Bulls don´t care much about this season, right?

As I don´t know anything about the contracts you have to explain me why these trades make sense? To get one or two free agents I know, but isn´t this risky as hell?

What if we can´t get any of the big now? We´ll be bad for a long period of time, don´t you think so?

Please help and explain.

 

[Kush77]

Flip Murray and Hakim Warrick will play. They'll play more than James Johnson.

The thing about this deal is hat the Bulls are now 100% in the 2010 race. I just hope they can land someone.

As for this year, they wern't gonna trade for anyone that would make them a conference contender. So the starters are in tact and the bench will feature Miller/Murray/Pargo/Warrick. I'm not sure how the playing time will break down, but down the stretch and in the playoff last year they only played 7 guys.

 

[Diddy1122]

Murray & Warrick will definitely play & help. Warrick is a much better defender than Tyrus & almost equally as athletic. I honestly see an improvement in this area. Murray will replace Pargo, & the Bulls can rid themselves of that $2mill mistake by waiving him. Not sure if Alexander will crack the lineup. Law is a solid defender who could see some spot minutes since Devin Brown turned out to be recycled trash.

These moves guarantee that there is enough cap space to offer a max contract & still have enough to spare for another decent MLE player. No one is throwing in the towel & these moves don't really make us worse. They don't make us much better but atleast now there is significant depth at every position, something that has been lacking all season long.

No need to jump off a cliff Bullseye. Save that move for if we don't land a major FA next summer.

 

[postdiction]

Here is how I see it in order of priority

1) Didn't lose one of our core players: Rose or Noah

2) Created enough room for max FA

3) Didn't lose a starter which means we will be competitive.

4) Salmons - A good player as 3 but is only average as a 2. Hopefully Flip Murray will pick up some of his scoring. 2 2nd rounders are worth nothing really. Pick swap isn't worth anything because we have a very good chance of having a better record than the Bucks.

5) TT - It was either trade him or lose him for absolutely nothing....we weren't going to resign him. As I was informed Warrick is a PF....hopefully he can match TT's rebounding and scoring. Got a 1st round pick TT pretty good.

6) Getting Alexander was huge, the missing piece to championship caliber D league team.......lol jk.

Basically we had a balancing act on one side we have to lose some talent to have enough cap space and on the other side we need to keep enough talent to still make the playoffs.

All in all it wasn't amazing but, I would give GarPax a B- or B. However, we have a very easy schedule coming up and we need to pile up some wins against bad teams. We need to go at worst 5-1 in the next 6 games because our schedule gets much harder towards the end.

laters

postdiction

 

[Shakes]

We upgraded from Tyrus to Warrick, and swapped two second rounders for a first (since the pick swap with the Bucks seems unlikely). At the same time we ensured Salmons wouldn't opt in on us. I think that's a pretty good return for losing Salmons.

 

[Kush77]

It's funny that the Bulls are getting 2 former lottery picks here.

Law hasn't really done anything and has played a few years. But Joe Alexander hasn't played this year. The guy was the 8th pick in the 09 draft and the Bucks have already given up on him.

 

[Diddy1122]

Kush77 wrote:

It's funny that the Bulls are getting 2 former lottery picks here.

Law hasn't really done anything and has played a few years. But Joe Alexander hasn't played this year. The guy was the 8th pick in the 09 draft and the Bucks have already given up on him.

Actually he was the 8th pick in the '08 draft but who cares. He's just an athlete, not a particularly good shooter, nor defender. I doubt we really use him much. Law is intriguing to me. He was a super clutch player from what I remember of his time at Texas A&M. I don't know why he never got a shot anywhere. He's kinda like Shannon Brown in that aspect. I'm hoping we give him some playing time & see what he has to offer. Anything is better than giving Pargo minutes.

 

[Dpauley23]

Diddy1122 wrote:

Murray & Warrick will definitely play & help. Warrick is a much better defender than Tyrus & almost equally as athletic. I honestly see an improvement in this area. Murray will replace Pargo, & the Bulls can rid themselves of that $2mill mistake by waiving him. Not sure if Alexander will crack the lineup. Law is a solid defender who could see some spot minutes since Devin Brown turned out to be recycled trash.

These moves guarantee that there is enough cap space to offer a max contract & still have enough to spare for another decent MLE player. No one is throwing in the towel & these moves don't really make us worse. They don't make us much better but atleast now there is significant depth at every position, something that has been lacking all season long.

No need to jump off a cliff Bullseye. Save that move for if we don't land a major FA next summer.

First off you must have not seen many of Warrick's games as he is a horrible defender. He brings none of the shot blocking Tyrus does and often has defensive lapses Tryus has. Secondely Bulls will only have barely enough to sign one max guy and they can't use MLE anyway since their under the cap

 

[Diddy1122]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Diddy1122 wrote:

Murray & Warrick will definitely play & help. Warrick is a much better defender than Tyrus & almost equally as athletic. I honestly see an improvement in this area. Murray will replace Pargo, & the Bulls can rid themselves of that $2mill mistake by waiving him. Not sure if Alexander will crack the lineup. Law is a solid defender who could see some spot minutes since Devin Brown turned out to be recycled trash.

These moves guarantee that there is enough cap space to offer a max contract & still have enough to spare for another decent MLE player. No one is throwing in the towel & these moves don't really make us worse. They don't make us much better but atleast now there is significant depth at every position, something that has been lacking all season long.

No need to jump off a cliff Bullseye. Save that move for if we don't land a major FA next summer.

First off you must have not seen many of Warrick's games as he is a horrible defender. He brings none of the shot blocking Tyrus does and often has defensive lapses Tryus has. Secondely Bulls will only have barely enough to sign one max guy and they can't use MLE anyway since their under the cap

I'm sorry we traded your boyfriend Dpauley but Tyrus is NOT & I repeat NOT a good defender. I am sick of people calling him that. Blocks is not good defense. And Warrick is not a horrible defender. Perhaps I was wrong saying he's much better than Tyrus but he's certainly not worse. And why do you think Tyrus got so many blocks in the 1st place? Because of all his lapses on defense, letting his defender blow past him. Thankfully he's so athletically gifted he could get those blocks but don't kid yourself into thinking he was a good defender. Ask any coach in the league if he would rather have the player who stays in front of his man or the player who goes for the steal or the block every time. My guess is 100% would take the former. If Tyrus was such an amazing defender he never would have lost his spot to a rookie, who btw happened to win PAC-10 Defensive Player of the Year in his final college season.

And roughly $16.5mill is what the max will be for any of the big 3 in their first yr of a deal. What do people not get about that? For a player with 7–9 years of experience, the maximum is $11,000,000 or 30% of the cap. It's right there in the CBA. This season it was $17.3mill & it's sure to go down to somewhere around $16.5 in the offseason. The Bulls are committed to $37.7mill in salary next season & will have roughly $20mill in the offseason, more than enough for a max player thanks to the Salmons deal. And a team is allowed to sign 1 or several players with the MLE, every team gets it, once again right there in black & white in the CBA, even if the team is over the cap or the signing will put them over the cap. That's why it's called the Mid-Level EXCEPTION.

 

[TheStig]

I agree with what a lot of guys have said. This is a good deal. I don't think Warrick adds defense, he maybe a better man defender but TT is a good help side defender that forces turnovers. In the end, I think we lost a couple of players but gained a lot of overall depth. Law is a true PG and guards against injury, Flip can score and score well, Alexander is a athletic three that is more ready to back up the three than JJ this year, Warrick, is a nice scorer off the bench he can space the floor a bit and get to the rim, we also traded two mid 2nds for a mid first where we can grab a contributor and we guranteed ourselves max cap space and a few more bucks so we don't have to fill out the roster with all minimum guys but a solid 2-3 mill per year guy. We basically traded for a lot of depth, Law, Flip, Brown, Alexander and Warrick can all fill in decently at the 1-4 spots.

 

[Bullsman24]

Rose
Hinrich
Deng
Gibson
Noah

Johnson-farther down the depth chart
Pargo-could be bought out
Miller-yes
James-lol
Hunter-bench coach
Warrick-tyrus' replacement, maybe even better than tyrus imo. better on offense, moderate low post threat, don't just look at stats, look at how his minutes have been jacked around with. he could be good.
Alexander-crap
Murry-flip can be very good at times and excels as the first man off the bench like he was in atlanta.
Law-probably just crap, will be a legit third pg though, no more hunter thank the lord

i think we actually gained some pretty legit depth and didn't really actually lose all that much. we'll miss salmons' 3 point shooting but we can make up for everything else that was brought by salmons and tyrus and we gained depth.

 

[houheffna]

First off you must have not seen many of Warrick's games as he is a horrible defender. He brings none of the shot blocking Tyrus does and often has defensive lapses Tryus has.

I would rather have decent on the ball defense...we don't need shot blocking. Taj and Noah can block shots.

 

[TheStig]

houheffna wrote:

First off you must have not seen many of Warrick's games as he is a horrible defender. He brings none of the shot blocking Tyrus does and often has defensive lapses Tryus has.

I would rather have decent on the ball defense...we don't need shot blocking. Taj and Noah can block shots.

TT forces a lot more turnovers, that will be missed but we will overcome it. I think if LB can do one thing to make TT a better player it will be help him with his mental lapses on defense because there is no reason that he can't be a great defensive player.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Overall, I think that we got a little bit worse talent wise, but the depth will help a lot.

PG-Rose/Hinrich/Law
SG-Hinrich/Murray/Brown
SF-Deng/Alexander/JJ/Warrick sorta (not necessarily in that order)
PF-Gibson/Warrick/Alexander(?)
C-Noah/Miller

The key to this is if the new guys can integrate themselves into the lineup and produce effectively in the time they're given. If this happens, we've got ourselves a decent rotation that can go 8 maybe 9 guys deep on any given night. Warrick and Murray have to contribute for these trades to have any positive effect on this season. Alexander and Law are gravy.

 

[Kush77]

Diddy1122 wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

It's funny that the Bulls are getting 2 former lottery picks here.

Law hasn't really done anything and has played a few years. But Joe Alexander hasn't played this year. The guy was the 8th pick in the 09 draft and the Bucks have already given up on him.

Actually he was the 8th pick in the '08 draft but who cares. He's just an athlete, not a particularly good shooter, nor defender. I doubt we really use him much. Law is intriguing to me. He was a super clutch player from what I remember of his time at Texas A&M. I don't know why he never got a shot anywhere. He's kinda like Shannon Brown in that aspect. I'm hoping we give him some playing time & see what he has to offer. Anything is better than giving Pargo minutes.

It was the 08 draft, a thousand pardons sir.

And I care very much. I will lead the Joe Alexander fan club :lol:

But seriously, I'm surprised the Bucks gave up on the 8th pick after just 59 games. He hasn't played at all this season.

 

[Shakes]

One things for sure, our three point shooting has gone from bad to awful with the loss of Salmons. I mean Flip Murray becomes our third best percentage three point shooter, and he's hitting 31%. He becomes our second most prolific, and he's hitting less than one a game.

 

[TheStig]

I think you will see Brown and Flip split Salmons role. Brown will take all the back up sf min and guard the tough sgs and flip will be brought in off the bench and given a green light. I don't think flip will be as bad here, he needs consistent pt. Warrick will also help offensively, he is a nice spark off the bench.

 

[pinkizdead]

what about acie law?

 

[Shakes]

What about him? He's a scrub that went lottery because Atlanta were still going through their "we passed on Paul and Williams" guilt trip and were desperate to find a PG.

 

[mlewinth]

There is no way to not love these trades. If you do not understand the salaries involved or you do not understand the cap, then this trade will simply make no sense to you. Our team had flatlined. We were too good to get top draft picks. Free Agency was the best way for us to take the next step. Gar Forman forsaw this when we got Derrick Rose. As big of a mistake as it was signing Hinrich to his godawful contract, it was equally great to have the foresight to let BG walk. We have the opportunity now (and a very good one I think) to get a superstar. No team in Free Agency except maybe Miami has a better team than us and we have more talent and more upside. I was terrified when we traded Ben Gordon, mainly because we still didnt have any guarentee of getting a top tier star, but Forman had the gonads and made the moves and now we have that chance. Succeed or fail, I am happy that we are in this position, there is a chance that we could be on the verge of another dynasty.