"caused pressures" rate suggests OL more to blame for pass pro issues than Fields

[Colonel_Buendia]

Caused Pressure Rate for 2023 Offenses

Can we learn something from how often offensive pressure is caused by a blown block? The Arizona offensive line says yes.

ftnfantasy.com

I don't know what this site's source is but the numbers (if trustworthy) are interesting / concerning.
"Caused pressures" = pressures attributed to an OL fuckup
"Uncaused pressures" = OL did their job but there was still a pressure

Bears overall pressure rate: ranked 30th.
Bears caused pressures rate: ranked 30th.
Bears uncaused pressures rate: ranked 24th.
Bears % of total pressures that were caused by the OL: ranked 5th

This would suggest the bears had one of the worst pass blocking OL units in the league. When they did their job, the rest of the team (let's name names: Fields) was still bad at preventing pressures, but not as bad as the OL.
Thought it's noteworthy to share because of the debate around how the OL should be better without Fields. This would suggest the OL will be a major issue regardless of the QB change.

Hopefully we see some improvement this year, but even if the stopgaps play alright the contracts are short term. Retooling the iOL is looking like priority 1 for next off-season (maybe 1b behind edge rusher). I think a good goal for 2024 is just hoping the team can figure out how to handle obvious blitzes and basic stunts, and the C has a competent anchor. That shit has made me apoplectic the past few years.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Bullshit

 

[bamainatlanta]

Well this was discouraging.

 

[ILoveDick]

Caused Pressure Rate for 2023 Offenses

Can we learn something from how often offensive pressure is caused by a blown block? The Arizona offensive line says yes.

ftnfantasy.com

I don't know what this site's source is but the numbers (if trustworthy) are interesting / concerning.
"Caused pressures" = pressures attributed to an OL fuckup
"Uncaused pressures" = OL did their job but there was still a pressure

Bears overall pressure rate: ranked 30th.
Bears caused pressures rate: ranked 30th.
Bears uncaused pressures rate: ranked 24th.
Bears % of total pressures that were caused by the OL: ranked 5th

This would suggest the bears had one of the worst pass blocking OL units in the league. When they did their job, the rest of the team (let's name names: Fields) was still bad at preventing pressures, but not as bad as the OL.
Thought it's noteworthy to share because of the debate around how the OL should be better without Fields. This would suggest the OL will be a major issue regardless of the QB change.

Hopefully we see some improvement this year, but even if the stopgaps play alright the contracts are short term. Retooling the iOL is looking like priority 1 for next off-season (maybe 1b behind edge rusher). I think a good goal for 2024 is just hoping the team can figure out how to handle obvious blitzes and basic stunts, and the C has a competent anchor. That shit has made me apoplectic the past few years.

1. If this is correct it basically confirms what I've said for years: both the o-line and JF were bad. For whatever reason, the consensus on CCS is that it's NOT the QB - year after year, regime after regime.

2. If the o-line plays bad this year the complaining will be non-stop. Then around draft time, the Meatballs will be pounding the table for more "weapons." Same will be true if the defense sucks too.

 

[KittiesKorner]

1. If this is correct it basically confirms what I've said for years: both the o-line and JF were bad. For whatever reason, the consensus on CCS is that it's NOT the QB - year after year, regime after regime.

2. If the o-line plays bad this year the complaining will be non-stop. Then around draft time, the Meatballs will be pounding the table for more "weapons." Same will be true if the defense sucks too.

You’ve been sayin the o-line has been bad for years? How unique!

 

[Enasic]

Braxton being hurt greatly affected those numbers, I believe. Borom was dog shit at LT…and of course, obviously the C position was a huge problem, as was Davis falling way short of expectations.

Braxton (and others) staying healthy and improvement at C, no matter who plays there will help significantly. If that happens and Davis or whoever ends up starting at RG could be even average-ish, this entire narrative flips quite a bit…especially if wright takes another step. Is that a whole lot of ifs? Absolutely….but that’s why you play the season to find out what’s what. I’m not overly optimistic the OL will be great per se…or even above average…but it’s not all doom and gloom either…but of course, I have my concerns.

 

[TezMaKai]

You’ve been sayin the o-line has been bad for years? How unique!

He's a moron.

 

[Bearly]

Same publication has this OL projected as #17 this year.

 

[abegibronreborn]

Caused Pressure Rate for 2023 Offenses

Can we learn something from how often offensive pressure is caused by a blown block? The Arizona offensive line says yes.

ftnfantasy.com

I don't know what this site's source is but the numbers (if trustworthy) are interesting / concerning.
"Caused pressures" = pressures attributed to an OL fuckup
"Uncaused pressures" = OL did their job but there was still a pressure

Bears overall pressure rate: ranked 30th.
Bears caused pressures rate: ranked 30th.
Bears uncaused pressures rate: ranked 24th.
Bears % of total pressures that were caused by the OL: ranked 5th

This would suggest the bears had one of the worst pass blocking OL units in the league. When they did their job, the rest of the team (let's name names: Fields) was still bad at preventing pressures, but not as bad as the OL.
Thought it's noteworthy to share because of the debate around how the OL should be better without Fields. This would suggest the OL will be a major issue regardless of the QB change.

Hopefully we see some improvement this year, but even if the stopgaps play alright the contracts are short term. Retooling the iOL is looking like priority 1 for next off-season (maybe 1b behind edge rusher). I think a good goal for 2024 is just hoping the team can figure out how to handle obvious blitzes and basic stunts, and the C has a competent anchor. That shit has made me apoplectic the past few years.

The situation was less than ideal. However, the situation was also less than ideal for Joe Burrow during the year he took his team to the Super Bowl:

Burrow was sacked 70 times during the regular season and postseason combined. That was 22 more than the next highest-sacked QB, the Titans' Ryan Tannehill (48).

Bengals on historic pace for sacks allowed: Is Joe Burrow or revamped O-line to blame? | Sporting News

Through three weeks of the 2022 NFL season, Joe Burrow is on pace to be sacked 85 times.

www.sportingnews.com

He managed to overcome a horrible offensive line because he's a special talent.

JF obviously is not.

So let's just stop with the 'nothing is/was Justin's fault' schtick. Time to move on.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

The situation was less than ideal. However, the situation was also less than ideal for Joe Burrow during the year he took his team to the Super Bowl:

Burrow was sacked 70 times during the regular season and postseason combined. That was 22 more than the next highest-sacked QB, the Titans' Ryan Tannehill (48).

Bengals on historic pace for sacks allowed: Is Joe Burrow or revamped O-line to blame? | Sporting News

Through three weeks of the 2022 NFL season, Joe Burrow is on pace to be sacked 85 times.

www.sportingnews.com

He managed to overcome a horrible offensive line because he's a special talent.

JF obviously is not.

So let's just stop with the 'nothing is/was Justin's fault' schtick. Time to move on.

You say time to move on as you type an essay tho

 

[HeHateMe]

1. If this is correct it basically confirms what I've said for years: both the o-line and JF were bad. For whatever reason, the consensus on CCS is that it's NOT the QB - year after year, regime after regime.

2. If the o-line plays bad this year the complaining will be non-stop. Then around draft time, the Meatballs will be pounding the table for more "weapons." Same will be true if the defense sucks too.

Ban bet that the bolded doesn't happen. You'll have to name "the meatballs" to dial in your statement. And I guess you're going to need more than 3...

 

[DanielCCSBears]

The most damning thing I saw from last year was Justin Fields being sacked 24 times in 5 games vs only 5 times in 4 games for Tyson Bagent. I'm still waiting for someone to explain that disparity.

 

[TheWinman]

Caused Pressure Rate for 2023 Offenses

Can we learn something from how often offensive pressure is caused by a blown block? The Arizona offensive line says yes.

ftnfantasy.com

I don't know what this site's source is but the numbers (if trustworthy) are interesting / concerning.
"Caused pressures" = pressures attributed to an OL fuckup
"Uncaused pressures" = OL did their job but there was still a pressure

Bears overall pressure rate: ranked 30th.
Bears caused pressures rate: ranked 30th.
Bears uncaused pressures rate: ranked 24th.
Bears % of total pressures that were caused by the OL: ranked 5th

This would suggest the bears had one of the worst pass blocking OL units in the league. When they did their job, the rest of the team (let's name names: Fields) was still bad at preventing pressures, but not as bad as the OL.
Thought it's noteworthy to share because of the debate around how the OL should be better without Fields. This would suggest the OL will be a major issue regardless of the QB change.

Hopefully we see some improvement this year, but even if the stopgaps play alright the contracts are short term. Retooling the iOL is looking like priority 1 for next off-season (maybe 1b behind edge rusher). I think a good goal for 2024 is just hoping the team can figure out how to handle obvious blitzes and basic stunts, and the C has a competent anchor. That shit has made me apoplectic the past few years.

lmao. Use you eyes insead of some interns looking at numbers.

 

[abegibronreborn]

You say time to move on as you type an essay tho

Fair enough.

These JF threads keep appearing for some reason...He's not a Bear anymore.

And I stand by what I posted. It's accurate.

 

[Anytime23]

lmao. Use you eyes insead of some interns looking at numbers.

A QB holding onto the ball doesnt change that guys were getting beat.

You were a backup special teamer for some obscure college 40 years ago.

 

[Calabis]

Same publication has this OL projected as #17 this year.

Well they signed a center that has a brain and hasn't given up many sacks...that alone improves oline

 

[Calabis]

lmao. Use you eyes insead of some interns looking at numbers.

We did and if u don't have glaucoma, then it was apparent the oline sucked

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

The most damning thing I saw from last year was Justin Fields being sacked 24 times in 5 games vs only 5 times in 4 games for Tyson Bagent. I'm still waiting for someone to explain that disparity.

Go look at DJ Moore's production during that span

 

[Bearly]

Well they signed a center that has a brain and hasn't given up many sacks...that alone improves oline

That and they're healthy now.

 

[knoxville7]

The most damning thing I saw from last year was Justin Fields being sacked 24 times in 5 games vs only 5 times in 4 games for Tyson Bagent. I'm still waiting for someone to explain that disparity.

it HAS been explained over and over. Play calling was different. but yes, i think most will acknowledge that bagent tends to get the ball out quicker than fields. nobody has ever argued otherwise. at the same time, you have to acknowledge the play calling when fields was QB and when Bagent was QB was quite different