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Options on the market

Billy Hamilton
Juan Lagares
Jarrod Dyson
Shogo Akiyama
Adam Jones
Rajai Davis
Charlie Tilson

Internal opitons

Albert Almora
Ian Happ
Jason Heyward
Tony Kemp
Donnie Dewees

What do you guys think is the best way to go here. (Trade proposals included)
 

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Well, I don't think they can get Trout in a trade so, internal is probably the best bet.

Truthfully, when you look at just how bad the Cubs were last year at lead off and they still finished with the #10 run scoring offense in all of baseball, it should give you hope. IF they get league average .330 OBP from there next season they might have a top 5 O.

Akiyama would be intriguing if he could come in and fill both the CF and lead off holes. But at what cost.
 

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I'd just play heyward in CF. His bat fell off a bit toward the end of the season but a 101 wRC+ is still 7% better than the average MLB CF. Defensively he's not as good in CF but he's far from bad there either and I imagine it's more a case of just being used to reading balls coming at you a different way more than him being a bad defender.

That gives you more options. If Bryant stays with the team you can then hunt for either a RF or a 3B with Bryant in RF and it's easier to find good bats there than in CF.
 

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You keep Heywards value when he plays right field. I have a feeling Theo is going to work a little harder with the Giants this year if they still want Heyward.

KB would prefer to play center field than a corner, maybe they just need to let him go out there if its decided they want to change up at third base. I just hope he goes and stays in one spot with Ross, not the little league bullshit. That should be for fourth outfielders, fifth outfielders and utility men.
 

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Happ
CF: 1 DRS in 64 innings.
2B: -1 DRS 82 innings
1B: 0 DRS 41 innings
3B: 2 DRS 54 innings
LF: 1 DRS 44 innings
RF 0 DRS 17.2 innings

He is pretty much league avg anywhere you put him. I think that this is a true statement.

over this span he posted 1.5 fWAR 2.9 DEF. 127 wRC+ .264/.333/.564 BABIP .286 so this was not luck driven. 9.6 BB% 25% SO which are pretty much league avg stuff.

Splits: 96 wRC+ vs L 135 vs R. So stronger as a lefty still but the improvement hitting from the right side is clear.

So everything said and done you really should stick to your strongest alignment and plug Happ in the hole because he is going to give league avg D and plus hitting anywhere.
 

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Happ
CF: 1 DRS in 64 innings.
2B: -1 DRS 82 innings
1B: 0 DRS 41 innings
3B: 2 DRS 54 innings
LF: 1 DRS 44 innings
RF 0 DRS 17.2 innings

He is pretty much league avg anywhere you put him. I think that this is a true statement.

over this span he posted 1.5 fWAR 2.9 DEF. 127 wRC+ .264/.333/.564 BABIP .286 so this was not luck driven. 9.6 BB% 25% SO which are pretty much league avg stuff.

Splits: 96 wRC+ vs L 135 vs R. So stronger as a lefty still but the improvement hitting from the right side is clear.

So everything said and done you really should stick to your strongest alignment and plug Happ in the hole because he is going to give league avg D and plus hitting anywhere.

DRS isn't reliable in the sample sizes you're using.

"The other thing to remember is that DRS isn’t going to work well in small sample sizes, especially a couple of months or less. Once you get to one and three-year samples, it’s a relatively solid metric but defensive itself is quite variable so you need a good amount of data for the metrics to become particularly useful. There’s plenty more to say about this issue, but that’s for another entry. In general, DRS isn’t perfect because it doesn’t factor in shifts, positioning, and can’t perfectly measure everything it needs to, but it’s still among the best options out there."

https://library.fangraphs.com/defense/drs/
 

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With the offensive players they currently have. I prefer great defense up the middle...play Almora in CF and hope his bat can get to league avg for a CF
 

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With the offensive players they currently have. I prefer great defense up the middle...play Almora in CF and hope his bat can get to league avg for a CF
Thought that way for a while myself but might want to give Miller’s article on Cubs Insider a read.
 

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Thought that way for a while myself but might want to give Miller’s article on Cubs Insider a read.

And it’s the reason I don’t care for all the “metrics” as gospel. Almora is certainly an above avg defensive CF at worst. Sometimes you have to use your eyes. I’m sure I’ll get pushback on that, but I’m old school
 

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And it’s the reason I don’t care for all the “metrics” as gospel. Almora is certainly an above avg defensive CF at worst. Sometimes you have to use your eyes. I’m sure I’ll get pushback on that, but I’m old school
not from me, like I say, the guys that cant play the game want to find a place they fit and can be considered gods. (small g on purpose)

Lets not forget the single most important part of this, millionaire ball players having a card in their pocket telling them where the coaches want them to line up for each hitter on the opposing teams roster. I bring this up constantly regarding shifts. "RIGHT FIELD OUT" pickup games growing up when you only have 5 guys on a side, no catcher, I am sure alot of us did this if we grew up around a park is what major league baseball shifts seem like. When we had 4 there was only a left fielder.
The opposing MLB pitchers, what are they doing? Staying away away away, the simplest ball to serve out to right field for a hit. But we dont want to see slap happy baseball, we want to watch players try to hit the ball THROUGH fielders, not play small ball going first to third.
Pinhead pinella always took credit for playing the bench guys in games they could do well, whenever they did well. Well you have a coach telling the center fielder to play left center and the pitcher pitching away, what does that do for range factors?
Albert Almora will go thru walls for this team and deserves credit. Lets see how his head is next spring when more parks have more netting.
 

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And it’s the reason I don’t care for all the “metrics” as gospel. Almora is certainly an above avg defensive CF at worst. Sometimes you have to use your eyes. I’m sure I’ll get pushback on that, but I’m old school


Almora was far worse in general as a player. -.7 WAR
-4.1 UZR150 2.9 last year.
-5 DRS. 9 last year.

He was not prepared.
 

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Almora was far worse in general as a player. -.7 WAR
-4.1 UZR150 2.9 last year.
-5 DRS. 9 last year.

He was not prepared.


His hitting has been the disappointment, though. Not his fielding imo
 

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His hitting has been the disappointment, though. Not his fielding imo

it was across the board. A few nice plays don't over ride the body of work.
 

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it was across the board. A few nice plays don't over ride the body of work.

Well, like I said...this is where the metrics vs. the eye test differ. It’s not just a few nice plays...he made a lot of above avg plays look easy out there. I don’t buy into the metrics claiming he was a mediocre fielder...that’s just not true. His bat has been awful...I can tell that with my eyes, I don’t need metrics to figure it out
 

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Well, like I said...this is where the metrics vs. the eye test differ. It’s not just a few nice plays...he made a lot of above avg plays look easy out there. I don’t buy into the metrics claiming he was a mediocre fielder...that’s just not true. His bat has been awful...I can tell that with my eyes, I don’t need metrics to figure it out

Good to know that you get paid to scout
 

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Good to know that you get paid to scout

Never claimed I did...just like you don’t either. I simply posted my opinion on almoras defensive ability on a message board forum. You can dislike my opinion, but don’t try and minimize it by claiming because I’m not a scout I don’t know shit. That plays both ways and is childish/dumb.
 

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Never claimed I did...just like you don’t either. I simply posted my opinion on almoras defensive ability on a message board forum. You can dislike my opinion, but don’t try and minimize it by claiming because I’m not a scout I don’t know shit. That plays both ways and is childish/dumb.
Seems like the team has eyes on Shogo Akiyama according to Patrick Mooney.
 

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