China doesn't care...2 year old run over by van...no one helps

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I saw this yesterday on the news...don't know how old this is, but it's repulsive as hell. I won't copy the link to the youtube video...just way to disturbing.



A two year old girl is run over by a van...not just hit...but then the rear tire goes over her little body. Bystanders not only ride on bikes by the child on the road, walk by, but then she is hit a second time by another van.



This little girl is lying on the ground dying and no one seems to care!



I read an excuse for this was because those who help could be held liable for any wrong doing.



It's a two year old dying and you are afraid of being held liable? That's BULLSHIT!!!
 

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When I first saw the video last night I was hoping it was some kind of cruel joke... but I guess it isn't.
 

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If it was a 2 year year old boy there in China they would have cared.
 

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I agree it is horrible. It seems like nobody has a conscience anymore. Mine would be haunting me if I just walked away and did nothing.
 

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China does create disposable products...guess it is now ingrained into the culture.
 

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I won't debate the morality, but I know their culture puts a lot less emphasis on kids than ours does. The way I heard they look at it: You can always have another kid.
 

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I won't debate the morality, but I know their culture puts a lot less emphasis on kids than ours does. The way I heard they look at it: You can always have another kid.



Which shows why they are always going to be considered a backwards ass country when the govt is rich and powerful and their people are considered low class citizens for the good of the republic.



Can just have another one? Fucking dumb shits! Not you Lord...just the idea!
 

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Perhaps, I don't agree with their way of thinking because it strips all humanity out of the equation and makes kids seem expendible rather than human beings. But there is a macabre logic to it--whether or not you agree with it.



An adult couple can pretty much reproduce within 9 months, and be ready to have another kid in a few months after. All of this going on when they are contributing to society at large. A child, on the other hand, can take between 12 (purely physical) to 18-21 (socio-psychological) years to reach a point when they are contributing, and not just taking recources from the society at large. Again, this is stripping all humanity out of it.



It's human darwinism at its simplest, but also at it's least human. It also shows how little the individual matters to their society at large. It's also why I fully don't agree with it--to me the rights of the individual should be held higher than the rights of the society. The girl was much more than a cog in the machine that can be replaced.
 

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Perhaps, I don't agree with their way of thinking because it strips all humanity out of the equation and makes kids seem expendible rather than human beings. But there is a macabre logic to it--whether or not you agree with it.



An adult couple can pretty much reproduce within 9 months, and be ready to have another kid in a few months after. All of this going on when they are contributing to society at large. A child, on the other hand, can take between 12 (purely physical) to 18-21 (socio-psychological) years to reach a point when they are contributing, and not just taking recources from the society at large. Again, this is stripping all humanity out of it.



It's human darwinism at its simplest, but also at it's least human. It also shows how little the individual matters to their society at large. It's also why I fully don't agree with it--to me the rights of the individual should be held higher than the rights of the society. The girl was much more than a cog in the machine that can be replaced.



your spot on with that post sir!
 

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Perhaps, I don't agree with their way of thinking because it strips all humanity out of the equation and makes kids seem expendible rather than human beings. But there is a macabre logic to it--whether or not you agree with it.



An adult couple can pretty much reproduce within 9 months, and be ready to have another kid in a few months after. All of this going on when they are contributing to society at large. A child, on the other hand, can take between 12 (purely physical) to 18-21 (socio-psychological) years to reach a point when they are contributing, and not just taking recources from the society at large. Again, this is stripping all humanity out of it.



It's human darwinism at its simplest, but also at it's least human. It also shows how little the individual matters to their society at large. It's also why I fully don't agree with it--to me the rights of the individual should be held higher than the rights of the society. The girl was much more than a cog in the machine that can be replaced.



In western society children are a commodity for those who market and produce products and services for them. Don't be fooled children and yes even babies play an important role in our economy...actually they play a giant role. Is that good or bad? Not my place to judge. But children can make other people very rich very fast. I actually believe on an economic and social scale in the West children are contributing and creating resources..not just taking them. Hell even the thought of having children and the social pressures and standards to do so have economical and social impacts on us all.



But I do agree with your post. Nicely done.



China is also a horrible country as far as human rights go so I am not surprised.
 

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Thirty-Eight Who Saw Murder Didn't Call the Police

New York Times

Martin Gansberg

March 27, 1964



For more than half an hour 38 respectable, law-abiding citizens in Queens watched a killer stalk and stab a woman in three separate attacks in Kew Gardens.



Twice their chatter and the sudden glow of their bedroom lights interrupted him and frightened him off. Each time he returned, sought her out, and stabbed her again. Not one person telephoned the police during the assault; one witness called after the woman was dead.



That was two weeks ago today.



Still shocked is Assistant Chief Inspector Frederick M. Lussen, in charge of the borough's detectives and a veteran of 25 years of homicide investigations. He can give a matter-of-fact recitation on many murders. But the Kew Gardens slaying baffles him--not because it is a murder, but because the "good people" failed to call the police.



"As we have reconstructed the crime," he said, "the assailant had three chances to kill this woman during a 35-minute period. He returned twice to complete the job. If we had been called when he first attacked, the woman might not be dead now."



This is what the police say happened at 3:20 A.M. in the staid, middle-class, tree-lined Austin Street area:



Twenty-eight-year-old Catherine Genovese, who was called Kitty by almost everyone in the neighborhood, was returning home from her job as manager of a bar in Hollis. She parked her red Fiat in a lot adjacent to the Kew Gardens Long Island Railroad Station, facing Mowbray Place. Like many residents of the neighborhood, she had parked there day after day since her arrival from Connecticut a year ago, although the railroad frowns on the practice.



She turned off the lights of her car, locked the door, and started to walk the 100 feet to the entrance of her apartment at 82-70 Austin Street, which is in a Tudor building, with stores in the first floor and apartments on the second.



The entrance to the apartment is in the rear of the building because the front is rented to retail stores. At night the quiet neigborhood is shrouded in the slumbering darkness that marks most residential areas.



Miss Genovese noticed a man at the far end of the lot, near a seven-story apartment house at 82-40 Austin Street. She halted. Then, nervously, she headed up Austin Street toward Lefferts Boulevard, where there is a call box to the 102nd Police Precinct in nearby Richmond Hill.



She got as far as a street light in front of a bookstore before the man grabbed her. She screamed. Lights went on in the 10-story apartment house at 82-67 Austin Street, which faces the bookstore. Windows slid open and voices punctuated the early-morning stillness.



Miss Genovese screamed: "Oh, my God, he stabbed me! Please help me! Please help me!"



From one of the upper windows in the apartment house, a man called down: "Let that girl alone!"



The assailant looked up at him, shrugged, and walked down Austin Street toward a white sedan parked a short distance away. Miss Genovese struggled to her feet.



Lights went out. The killer returned to Miss Genovese, now trying to make her way around the side of the building by the parking lot to get to her apartment. The assailant stabbed her again.



"I'm dying!" she shrieked. "I'm dying!"



Windows were opened again, and lights went on in many apartments. The assailant got into his car and drove away. Miss Genovese staggered to her feet. A city bus, 0-10, the Lefferts Boulevard line to Kennedy International Airport, passed. It was 3:35 A.M.



The assailant returned. By then, Miss Genovese had crawled to the back of the building, where the freshly painted brown doors to the apartment house held out hope for safety. The killer tried the first door; she wasn't there. At the second door, 82-62 Austin Street, he saw her slumped on the floor at the foot of the stairs. He stabbed her a third time--fatally.



It was 3:50 by the time the police received their first call, from a man who was a neighbor of Miss Genovese. In two minutes they were at the scene. The neighbor, a 70-year-old woman, and another woman were the only persons on the street. Nobody else came forward.



The man explained that he had called the police after much deliberation. He had phoned a friend in Nassau County for advice and then he had crossed the roof of the building to the apartment of the elderly woman to get her to make the call.



"I didn't want to get involved," he sheepishly told police.



Six days later, the police arrested Winston Moseley, a 29-year-old business machine operator, and charged him with homicide. Moseley had no previous record. He is married, has two children and owns a home at 133-19 Sutter Avenue, South Ozone Park, Queens. On Wednesday, a court committed him to Kings County Hospital for psychiatric observation.



When questioned by the police, Moseley also said he had slain Mrs. Annie May Johnson, 24, of 146-12 133d Avenue, Jamaica, on Feb. 29 and Barbara Kralik, 15, of 174-17 140th Avenue, Springfield Gardens, last July. In the Kralik case, the police are holding Alvin L. Mitchell, who is said to have confessed to that slaying.



The police stressed how simple it would have been to have gotten in touch with them. "A phone call," said one of the detectives, "would have done it." The police may be reached by dialing "0" for operator or SPring 7-3100.



Today witnesses from the neighborhood, which is made up of one-family homes in the $35,000 to $60,000 range with the exception of the two apartment houses near the railroad station, find it difficult to explain why they didn't call the police.



A housewife, knowingly if quite casually, said, "We thought it was a lovers' quarrel." A husband and wife both said, "Frankly, we were afraid." They seemed aware of the fact that events might have been different. A distraught woman, wiping her hands in her apron, said, "I didn't want my husband to get involved."



One couple, now willing to talk about that night, said they heard the first screams. The husband looked thoughtfully at the bookstore where the killer first grabbed Miss Genovese.



"We went to the window to see what was happening," he said, "but the light from our bedroom made it difficult to see the street." The wife, still apprehensive, added: "I put out the light and we were able to see better."



Asked why they hadn't called the police, she shrugged and replied: "I don't know."



A man peeked out from a slight opening in the doorway to his apartment and rattled off an account of the killer's second attack. Why hadn't he called the police at the time? "I was tired," he said without emotion. "I went back to bed."



It was 4:25 A.M. when the ambulance arrived to take the body of Miss Genovese. It drove off. "Then," a solemn police detective said, "the people came out."



The above reported events are true and took place on March 14, 1964.



The brutal murder of Kitty Genovese and the

disturbing lack of action by her neighbors

became emblematic in what many perceived as an

evolving culture of violence and apathy in the

United States. In fact, social scientists

still debate the causes of what is now known

as "the Genovese Syndrome."



http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Faculty/scraig/gansberg.html
 

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Thats rather common. I dont think its "apathy" I simply think its a normal human reaction.



Its easy to look at it from the outside and say "I would have...." you don't know what you would done unless you are confronted with the same situation. Many people have the "hero fantasies", but talk all you want about what you would do in a hypothetical situation, you have no idea what you are capable of doing or not doing until the moment is upon you, no matter how you think you would act.



It's the difference between people that stop to help a motorist on the side of the road with a broke down car while every one else passes by. Or the witnesses to a horrible road accident that dont call 911 assuming someone else will do it.



Sometimes its as simple as when something like this is happening its a mental block, someone is screaming bloody murder, but you simply cant fathom that it is what it appears to be, so your brain rationalizes as in the above story, its some quarrel that isnt any of your business.



Its human nature, I could go to downtown chicago in the middle of lunch hour and just start laying the beat down on someone and I would lay money down, no one would do a goddamn thing to intervene. its possible someone would, but given what people tend to do in these situations, I would be making the smart bet.



People whether in China or the United States simply do not want to involve themselves, plain and simple.
 

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