CPU Swap Question

[botfly10]

Is there anything special I have to do for a cpu swap? Besides backing up?

Basically can just turn my shit off, make the swap, and then fire it right back up right?

 

[botfly10]

lol, I'm a fuckin idiot. Where were you crys!!?? You're supposed to save me from myself.

So, I put the new chip in, paste it up, put the cooler on and all that shit. Won't boot. Just black screen. Bios wont even come on. So I take all the shit off, reseat it, clear the cmos, and try to boot without the cooler. Still nothing.

Next, I put the old chip in, dont bother with the cooler, and it boots right up. So I shut the shit off right away and start googling.

Turns out, my new chip wasn't supported until after a relatively recent bios update. So I'm about to put the cooler on the old chip and try that. Just prayin that is the issue.

Fuckidiot reporting in!

PS At least I didn't bend any pins.

 

[botfly10]

Turns out I actually did have the latest BIOS, but actually have to ROLL BACK to an earlier BIOS to switch to a Devils canyon cpu, fire it up, then update bios again if I want. Fucking crazy, huh.

 

[botfly10]

success you cunts

 

[xer0h0ur]

Dafuq? You needed an older BIOS for a newer CPU? What manner of sorcery is this?

 

[botfly10]

Yeah, idk. But you have to do it. In fact, if you buy a new Asus Maximus Hero VI mobo and a 4970K, you are fucked if you don't have a pre-refresh haswell you can use to roll the driver back. You can't do it with usb and a devils canyon.

Now that I have it working, I am not sure if I can update my bios or if I am stuck at that older one. Don't really want to **** around with swapping chips again but maybe I should find out before I sell my old one.

 

[Wintermute]

Got some system specs?

 

[botfly10]

Asus maximus hero vi mobo
i7 4790K @ 4.6 ghz
Noctua NH D-14 cooler
16GB ballistix ram @1800 mhz
Asus DCII gtx 780x2
Samsung 840 evo 500 GB SSD
WD red 2TB HDD
Corsair HX 1050 psu
Corsair Obsidian 550D case

 

[Crystallas]

Been at the hospital. But yeah man, that does happen sometimes. Especially between sub-architectures. ASUS could have listed it better on their site. It just says since 1504 and all PCB revisions. That's it. The notes should have made the notes clear.

Turn off bios updates unless you can confirm each release with DC compatibility through the community. BIOS updates when everything is working is always a risk.

 

[botfly10]

hope everything is ok with you man

 

[xer0h0ur]

I believe its someone else he was visiting

 

[Crystallas]

hope everything is ok with you man

Family stuff.

But see, the tech world comes through again, always somewhere to get an answer on some annoyance!

 

[botfly10]

I remember the exact moment when I realized that computers are not as complicated as people think.... er, at least that you don't have to be an expert to tinker with them.

It happened about 6 years ago when I had a laptop BSOD and then wouldn't boot and windows kept hanging when I tried the repair disc. I spent like 3 hours looking shit up on the internet trying to figure out the problem. I read a lot of stuff, but there were so many different ideas that I lost my confidence.

So I took the laptop in to a repair shop and told the guy what happened. He got on his computer behind the counter and after a minute or two, started telling me the same shit I had just read on various message boards. I could tell because it was almost verbatim. Ultimately, he told me that he could fix it, probably for around $200.

That seemed crazy to me, so I asked him, what if I just buy a new hdd and reinstall windows, would that work? Dude told me that it probably would and that they have hdds for like $80. lmfao. So thats what I did and it worked perfectly. And then I got an enclosure and recovered all my data. No problem.

Thats when I realized that there are sorta different tiers of IT guys. There are the real deal dudes, but its probably very rare that you will interact with them through consumer level channels. And that at the end of the day, just learning and researching, and solving problems on your own is very much feasible and rewarding too.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Ive read about a number of people having to flash their bios with an old cpu to get a newer one to work with certain mobos, unfortunately Ive also read about it happening to people who didnt have a spare cpu and were expecting their cpu to be supported out of the box since it was listed as a supported cpu by their mobo manufacturer.

As for pcs not being as difficult to work with as they seem, I know what you mean. Sure on an extremely technical level Im lost, but when it comes to the day to day operation and to putting one together its not nearly as complicated as people make out. I never even thought about building my own until recently because people would talk about doing so as if it was some monumental task, but then I decided to do a little research and low and behold it pretty much equates to plugging some shit in. I couldnt design a microprocessor, but theres a big difference between that and dropping one into a socket.

Even when it comes to trouble shooting most common issues, you dont need to know what technically is going on on a deep level in order to go through the steps to find the problem and address it. Like you said, when it comes to everyday issues, most techs at some random pc shop arent likely going to tell you or do anything you couldn't have figured out on your own with a little research.

 

[Crystallas]

IMO, Building a PC has been easy mode since SATA was adopted industry-wide. Not necessarily because SATA marked the most difficult part, but it fixed the last remaining standard that gave new users issues(Ribbon cables and primary/secondary/master/slave). Basically 2004-ish. I honestly can't think of any new standard that has made anything truly easier since then, only subjectively better from an ease of construction standpoint. USB 2.0 was around, signal on wake plug in play standards. XP was finally user friendly for hot swapping compatible expansion devices. IMO, the only argument might be wireless networking, but that had more to do with pre draft standards mixing into chipsets and being sold as something that didn't really reflect the capabilities of the chipsets. As you could have easily bought good network components and has no issues.

The one thing that I would say is actually harder, is finding a brick and mortar store that sells nitty gritty components that aren't just some china clone crap. If you went to best buy or circuit city, you could actually find top-tier fans, thermal compond, cables, etc. You could find decent stuff at office depot/maxes. Now you go to best buy, hah, they sell some knock off crap that works, but for the same price as a top tier component that performs better. Unless you live in striking distance of a Frys or Microcenter, everything has to be internet only.

 

[Ares]

IMO, Building a PC has been easy mode since SATA was adopted industry-wide. Not necessarily because SATA marked the most difficult part, but it fixed the last remaining standard that gave new users issues(Ribbon cables and primary/secondary/master/slave). Basically 2004-ish. I honestly can't think of any new standard that has made anything truly easier since then, only subjectively better from an ease of construction standpoint. USB 2.0 was around, signal on wake plug in play standards. XP was finally user friendly for hot swapping compatible expansion devices. IMO, the only argument might be wireless networking, but that had more to do with pre draft standards mixing into chipsets and being sold as something that didn't really reflect the capabilities of the chipsets. As you could have easily bought good network components and has no issues.

The one thing that I would say is actually harder, is finding a brick and mortar store that sells nitty gritty components that aren't just some china clone crap. If you went to best buy or circuit city, you could actually find top-tier fans, thermal compond, cables, etc. You could find decent stuff at office depot/maxes. Now you go to best buy, hah, they sell some knock off crap that works, but for the same price as a top tier component that performs better. Unless you live in striking distance of a Frys or Microcenter, everything has to be internet only.

I have a Tiger Direct/Comp USA outlet store near me in Orland Park.... much like Frys.... you can go through there and get anything and everything you need to build a machine. But yeah that kind of store is pretty rare.... especially cases.... hard to find places (brick/mortar) that sell PC cases.

 

[Crystallas]

Yeah, that's right. I forgot about those stores too. I guess I'm just thinking of back in the day when you could go a few miles, and there was a store just about everywhere. A lot of guys that just rented out a spot in some small industrial park with shelves and shelves of parts. Radio Shack was a different beast. You could go to a computer store that was no bigger than a take-out only restaurant and they carried most of what a builder was looking for. And those storefront existed because the person who ran it, also did contracts for local businesses.

A production machine broke and it was like finding a car parts store, but maybe half as common(but still, that's a lot). Now you decide whether you're going on a 30 minute drive from a lot of areas. That's if you don't count the wasted time going to the wrong store, because you'll be tempted to stop in at a few stores like best buy only to find out the part you want is online only while their website doesn't always make that clear.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Yeah, that's right. I forgot about those stores too. I guess I'm just thinking of back in the day when you could go a few miles, and there was a store just about everywhere. A lot of guys that just rented out a spot in some small industrial park with shelves and shelves of parts. Radio Shack was a different beast. You could go to a computer store that was no bigger than a take-out only restaurant and they carried most of what a builder was looking for. And those storefront existed because the person who ran it, also did contracts for local businesses.

A production machine broke and it was like finding a car parts store, but maybe half as common(but still, that's a lot). Now you decide whether you're going on a 30 minute drive from a lot of areas. That's if you don't count the wasted time going to the wrong store, because you'll be tempted to stop in at a few stores like best buy only to find out the part you want is online only while their website doesn't always make that clear.

I remember when I was a kid and there were pc shops everywhere. and not only the little one offs like you mentioned but huge mega store like places such as microcenter and frys.