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So looks like the Hawks will stay with him. Do you guys think it was just the soph jink or bigger issue?
 

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I expected a slump, but I think it's a bigger issue. I don't think he's as good as he showed in 10-11. Would like to be wrong.
 

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I expected a slump, but I think it's a bigger issue. I don't think he's as good as he showed in 10-11. Would like to be wrong.

I hear that, I agree I just don't think he is that good..nothing would make me happier than to be wrong.
 

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Do the Hawks really have a choice but to stay with him at this point? They don't really have any better options and there are a lot of places this team need to improve.
 

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I don't see it, but some names that are rumored to be out there are Thomas and Luongo. Those guys are probably on the move, pricey capwise, and the Hawks will be in a trade bidding war with Tampa and Toronto in order to attain their services. I don't think Burke will go after Luongo--unless MLSE puts the squeeze on him.
 

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I don't see it, but some names that are rumored to be out there are Thomas and Luongo. Those guys are probably on the move, pricey capwise, and the Hawks will be in a trade bidding war with Tampa and Toronto in order to attain their services. I don't think Burke will go after Luongo--unless MLSE puts the squeeze on him.

Even if the Hawks could find a taker for Crawford wouldn't either Thomas or Luongo eat up most of the cap room the Hawks have this offseason?
 

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That depends on if/how much of a rollback on the cap there will be when a new contract between labor and management is reached. The union will most likely invoke the salary cap escalator (additional 5% prior to the completion of negotiations) but it's anybody's guess with the new CBA.
 

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Even if the Hawks could find a taker for Crawford wouldn't either Thomas or Luongo eat up most of the cap room the Hawks have this offseason?

I say zero chance luongo comes to Chi-Town, maybe Carter hutton starts tearing it up and is the answer. I know Iam reaching but trying to stay positive.
 

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He isnt elite/great, he isnt horrible/below avg either. He as many goaltenders are, are products of their defense.
 

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Posted this in another thread, when someone mentioned the Hawks defense not being quite as good as it was back in the glory days of 2009-10:

Cup team:
34.1 Shots/game, 25.1 Shots against/game, both 1st in the league.

11-12 team:
31.5 Shots/game, 7th in league. 28.6 Shots Against/game, 9th in league.

They fell off a bit, but they still ranked in the top 10 in the league.

If you apply a rather average SA% of .915 to that number of 28.6 Shots per game, that's a team GAA of 2.43 for the season, which would add up to 199 goals, which is the amount that Boston gave up this year, 6th best in the league.

So, I believe an average goaltender could get the job done of the Hawks, assuming that they can continue to put the puck in the net--which hasn't been the problem the last few years.

As Dews said, goalies can be a product of their defense. If Crawford was simply average this year, the Hawks could've been in contention for the President's Trophy in the regular season and would most likely have survived Phoenix.
 

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Posted this in another thread, when someone mentioned the Hawks defense not being quite as good as it was back in the glory days of 2009-10:



As Dews said, goalies can be a product of their defense. If Crawford was simply average this year, the Hawks could've been in contention for the President's Trophy in the regular season and would most likely have survived Phoenix.

I agree with that, not much your D can do when dribblers get past you.
 

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There were plenty of problems that led to giving up goals:

1) We used to control the puck an inordinate amount of time. Other teams didn't HAVE the puck to put it on net. I remember plenty of games when we'd outshoot some team 45 to 17. You don't have to have a whole lot of defense or a whole lot of goaltending to keep your GAA low under those circumstances.

2) We never used to let forward camp out in our crease. These days we do. The only guy we have playing right now who makes a serious effort to bitchslap someone who's camping is Seabs. Hjalmarsson, Keith, Leddy, et al, let those guys hang out in front of Crawford and screen him and redirect shots and get rebounds and it kills us.

3) Our goalie is below-average.

All those things in unison add up to giving up more goals, and that combined with the fact that we aren't lighting the lamp the way we used to when we had Ladd, Byflugien, Versteeg, and others, means fewer wins and early playoff exits.
 

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There were plenty of problems that led to giving up goals:

1) We used to control the puck an inordinate amount of time. Other teams didn't HAVE the puck to put it on net. I remember plenty of games when we'd outshoot some team 45 to 17. You don't have to have a whole lot of defense or a whole lot of goaltending to keep your GAA low under those circumstances.

2) We never used to let forward camp out in our crease. These days we do. The only guy we have playing right now who makes a serious effort to bitchslap someone who's camping is Seabs. Hjalmarsson, Keith, Leddy, et al, let those guys hang out in front of Crawford and screen him and redirect shots and get rebounds and it kills us.

3) Our goalie is below-average.

All those things in unison add up to giving up more goals, and that combined with the fact that we aren't lighting the lamp the way we used to when we had Ladd, Byflugien, Versteeg, and others, means fewer wins and early playoff exits.

#1 scares me. If this is the philosophy the team goes with, then I don't see the team attaining any size/clearing crease defenseman. They'll pick up a smaller, skater pmd. I don't think we have the forwards to execute the puck possession game to support this philosophy well. So, after acquiring that pmd, I don't foresee shifting ice time making enough of a difference to make much improvement (and address your point #2). Certainly not enough of a dent to ease the pressure of the tender (your point #3).
 

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