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Crime and Punishment
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I finished reading this while on the brink of death with an adenovirus and encephalitis at the tender age of 18. A priest even offered me last rites but I refused because Crime and Punishment.
I am partial to Notes from Underground/Letters from the Underworld
I am partial to Notes from Underground/Letters from the Underworld
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I was on house arrest, and losing my mind from the stress of nearly drowning my best friend in the car accident(coma for 3 days) and then accidentally burning the neighbors house down 4 months later. Court in two counties and new to being a felon...I was half consumed in madness and really connected with the main character.
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do you subscribe to Nietzsche's Übermensch theory as well? I like you but I hope not
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no. I am spiritual in a sense, I feel there are deeper connections in the physical and biological worlds than we understand yet.
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I need to get out and explore more, the exchange above has whistled past my eyes and I feel fucking stupid.
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I can dig it. You're more like Alyosha in BK
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I thought Crime and Punishment was based off of Rasko..... ITS NOT?!?
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Then again you see what is happening in the world and if I understand the concept to mean should we set goals for generations to supercede the last...should we grade one another by the uberchildren we can raise? I mean....Nietzsche is a great thinker and its easy to say his theory is lifeless or devoid of meaning for humanity, but I am not so sure if you read between the lines. Or if you realize his attack is mostly pointed at Christianity...potentially Judaism and I don't know his thoughts on Islam...but as I have said before it just may be the morally right thing to do to oppose those religions, and stop this tolerance bullshit. Is it moral to allow powers to spread lies and manipulate nations for purposes built on lies?
And yet...I feel that the spiritual experience for these 3 billion people is potentially very true...meaning are Christians, Muslims, and Jews tapping into the same power that just doesn't care that they are wrong? A true universe creator is not jealous or would care if you got the details wrong...and there seems to be actual benefits to following these religions...which makes you feel better, in turn makes you feel like there might be something to it, in turn gives you hope....etc....
And so you could be potentially completely wrong about the details and still be onto something we don't understand yet. Or are not really meant to under the rules and physics of this universe and where we are juxtaposed in it.
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welp... you see where the superman theory got Raskolnikov (the character, not you), and Hitler... I think it leads to narcissistic douchitude and is quite the opposite of anything spiritual
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Only problem is when you are potentially wrong about the details as you put it, and you are using those details as laws to live by and you are hurting other people by forcing those details on the world around you whether the world agrees with you or not.
Hindu people I know might have the details wrong, but they never bother me any..... ISIS probably has the details wrong and wants to cut off my head and mount it on a spike because of those details.
I agree spirituality is fine and everyone should be relatively free to pursue it how they see it, but when you start harming other people whether with physical violence or through secular law or warping secular law and making it religious law like ISIS is doing, that is where spirituality becomes a problem.
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In a way does it point out though that in the absence of religion there is a human void. Its up to us to advance the human race, nobody can do it for us. I agree that it is void of meaning in the end...but believe it begins to travel down mental paths and discussions that need to be had in a future that is losing its spirituality.
I think it can push an athiest in some positive directions intended to be beneficial for society as a whole, and those are questions I am concerned about in 2050. What will be our morality zeitgeist of a interconnected globe? What holds us together? For what reasons do we work together if not for Jesus.
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I don't need a sky buddy to be moral. I also don't need to believe that I am an exceptional specimen of humanity in order to effect positive change in the world. For me the spiritual and notions of individual ego-building are incompatible
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I haven't read it Ole so I can't discourse with you further. I don't understand.
I don't get the individual ego-building part...is it a flaw in the theory, or so central to the arguments that all is lost from them?
(because its been on my list for a while, I have it, and will read it, probably later this year or this spring.)
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I'm not talking about Nietzsche's concept as much as how it got perverted over time by people like hitler
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Rask how did you burn down a house by accident?
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Well...we can't hold contemporary misunderstandings against him...perhaps the modern day reader is better equipped to get something from Nietsche?
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I was doing controlled burns on a 40 acre property with about 1000 stems an acre. Big mess without natural fire. Thick forest.....and there was some duffy dirt...which is from alot of decay of debris over time making the dirt sorta flammable......
so...it was actually the smallest fire I ever had in 15 years of controlled burns. I needed the work to pay off the DUI. So...I'm on this steep hill with this duffy dirt and its making me nervous...so what I did was put the fire out and go somewhere else. Had I just had a big bonfire and burned everything in the area as usual I think it would have been ok under my supervision..it was because I backed out.
Now....had conditions been normal it would have been ok....but it was April 7th before the fire season and the trees were pushing sap out, so they were highly flammable, especially on the southern slope where I was.
So....two days later the temperature went up, in combination with rare hot 70 mile an hour winds and 90 degree spring days....so all the snow around there melted quickly and that duffy dirt came back to get me....it must have smoldered underground for two days until those high winds got something going.
or some kids fucked with my shit when I was gone. Anyway...15 acre fire, damaged 3 homes, a boat, a couple old cars in garages, and 1 house. Some bad luck...a few mistakes....and it all coming together to **** me.