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MoreLLLL is gone and they got a 3B
Thoughts
On mlb.com they said two prospects were also going. Neither side has confirmed that. Will be interesting to see who but I doubt that they’re real high prospects. Or at least will be dealt from a position of some depth.
MoreLLLL is gone and they got a 3B
Thoughts
That's always been Hoyer's problem, isn't it? He waits too long, lacks foresight. I'm surprised he got that much....then again Morel might not have been Tampa's primary target. Watch how the Rays handle Bigge....while Hoyer sits on most of his kids till they'e pushing 30. He could have had his closer a year ago in a young Mason Miller. Could've had him for a song....it'll cost a fortune to get him now. Taillon who is a goldmine, is still sitting in the Cubs dugout. Anybody think he'll move him or will he wait till he comes back to earth next season?Glad they finally got rid of Morel
Still wish they would have done it in the past offseason when Morel had more value and most of us here were saying to deal him because his style of hitting isn’t sustainable
Are you seriously criticizing him for not having traded Taillon yet?That's always been Hoyer's problem, isn't it? He waits too long, lacks foresight. I'm surprised he got that much....then again Morel might not have been Tampa's primary target. Watch how the Rays handle Bigge....while Hoyer sits on most of his kids till they'e pushing 30. He could have had his closer a year ago in a young Mason Miller. Could've had him for a song....it'll cost a fortune to get him now. Taillon who is a goldmine, is still sitting in the Cubs dugout. Anybody think he'll move him or will he wait till he comes back to earth next season?
yes....are you serious? He's got another start before the deadline. Can't up his value much more, only decrease it plus the injury factor is always there. You do remember Stroman, don't you?Are you seriously criticizing him for not having traded Taillon yet?
I remember Stroman.yes....are you serious? He's got another start before the deadline. Can't up his value much more, only decrease it plus the injury factor is always there. You do remember Stroman, don't you?
What are you living in Fantasyland? You asked if I was criticizing GM Dumbfuck for not trading Taillion yet...I was, because he has a start tomorrow, I think. A useless start as far as the Cubs are concerned. He should've been gone days ago....starting pitching is in short supply and a team would have some control of his doable contract. A goldmine for sure but Hoyer is dragging his ass....AGAIN. I don't give a **** if Stroman got hurt on New Years Eve...he still got hurt. The Cubs were NOT gonna resign him and was pitching WAY over his head....he should have been moved and wasn't.I remember Stroman.
And we both wish things had gone differently and that the Cubs could have traded him for something of value.
But to be fair, on June 24th, prior to the "Trey Mancini game" against the Cards in London, with the Cubs 2 games out of first (albeit under .500), Stroman was their best pitcher. From that point on, he allowed a run an inning.
Was Jed to trade him on June 24th? Waving the white flag a month before the deadline?
Or was he negligent not trading him during his poor July when his value tanked?
Sometimes it's not a complete failure by the GM. Did Oakland's GM get anything for his closer at this year's deadline? The guy who got injured? Was he supposed to see that in his crystal ball?
Now, with Taillon.....I will agree that if the Cubs let him make his start hours before the deadline they're taking an unnecessary risk. But I would not indict the GM had Taillon gotten hurt on the 4th of July.
I wasn't referring to the Cubs being involved with Miller. I was referring to the fact you can't expect trades in April or May to avoid injury in July.What are you living in Fantasyland? You asked if I was criticizing GM Dumbfuck for not trading Taillion yet...I was, because he has a start tomorrow, I think. A useless start as far as the Cubs are concerned. He should've been gone days ago....starting pitching is in short supply and a team would have some control of his doable contract. A goldmine for sure but Hoyer is dragging his ass....AGAIN. I don't give a **** if Stroman got hurt on New Years Eve...he still got hurt. The Cubs were NOT gonna resign him and was pitching WAY over his head....he should have been moved and wasn't.
I brought up Miller on this forum over a year ago....THAT is when a progressive GM would go after a kid like that. At that point, he wasn't even a relief pitcher but anyone with half a brain could see his potential. I wasn't even proposing the Cubs go after him now, injury or not.
A year or so ago....HELL yeah.
Never once said April or May.....I believe Stroman got hurt in early July but he was beginning to slide back to his normal self a couple of starts before that. I kept saying to myself, Hoyer is gonna **** around and get nothing for him and that's exactly what happened. The guy can't see beyond the nose on his face. The Miller thing is disturbing because I'm just a fucking fan and I immediately pegged him as closer material. How can a dumbass fan see this shit and a big money MLB GM can't? Way, WAY too many mistakes to still have a ML job........I wasn't referring to the Cubs being involved with Miller. I was referring to the fact you can't expect trades in April or May to avoid injury in July.
You've got such a hard on for Jed you don't see things objectively and are ready to fight anyone who doesn't think every move Jed makes is wrong.
I agree with you on much of it. You were on him for the bullpen from early in the season, and you were dead right. The pen cost them a ton of games.
And as one of the local sports shows pointed out, the Cubs have the 7th highest payroll, but no real star and no closer. So, yes, of course there is plenty of legit criticism.
But for pete's sake, claiming a GM should trade his best pitcher in June is silly.
I agree that Taillon's start tomorrow means nothing. I expect they won't start him, but as of now he's listed as the starter vs Cincy. I would skip the start if I were making the decision, and I assumed they would do that. Maybe not. Maybe he starts. Maybe he doesn't get traded. I think that would be a mistake and would be here to agree with anyone saying so.
But every year the bulk of trades get made late because the buyers get into a bidding war. The GMs not selling ealry aren't all wrong.
Potential with his ceiling is just hard to trade away. His advanced stats say he should be hitting 280/350/500, but for some reason his bat speed and exit velocity just isn't resulting in hits. At this time they know it isn't just bad luck, it has something to do with being able to pitch to him and telegraph where he will hit it. Hard to really self scout that. NOt trying to excuse Jed, but if I were in his shoes I would have had a very hard time trading him, even now.Glad they finally got rid of Morel
Still wish they would have done it in the past offseason when Morel had more value and most of us here were saying to deal him because his style of hitting isn’t sustainable
Making moves will just make matters worse. The player development has failed completely. It’s been 8 years since the WS and how many homegrown players are on the roster that were drafted after 2016?I wouldn't cry any tears if I heard the Cubs replaced him with someone else, believe me.
I just think it's tough to criticize him for not punting the 2023 season in June.
I don't want to see forever rebuilds but that beats trying to be mediocre forever. Trade Taillon, and another guy or two. But somebody has to be prepared to make moves in the offseason. If that's not Jed, get someone else.
I think we need to separate development under THeo/Jed and Jed/Carter. Under Theo we solely relied on high draft picks to carry us, and it worked for about 3 years, maybe 4. That tandem didn't develop much outside of their top picks. And was horrific at developing pitching, which ruined how they built the team.Making moves will just make matters worse. The player development has failed completely. It’s been 8 years since the WS and how many homegrown players are on the roster that were drafted after 2016?