Cubs' Lopez Might Pitch Himself Onto Next Years Team

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I wouldn't mind offering him a minor league deal or something, but this is why getting pitching is so important.
 

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I wouldn't mind offering him a minor league deal or something, but this is why getting pitching is so important.

So getting avg pitchers is more important then getting a superstar? Im thinking long run and the superstar makes more sense
 

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So getting avg pitchers is more important then getting a superstar? Im thinking long run and the superstar makes more sense

Long term can change pretty quickly, and if Fielder follows the career path of his dad he really only has a few more peak years left. And while I understand that the pitching available isn't overwhelming this year, but we are already starting to see all those amazing pitchers that were suppose to be available a year from now are not even hitting the market (Weaver, Wainwright). I have a hard time believing that my team with CJ Wilson and Carlos Pena wouldn't be better the next two years than your team with Fielder and Rodrigo Lopez.
 

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Long term can change pretty quickly, and if Fielder follows the career path of his dad he really only has a few more peak years left. And while I understand that the pitching available isn't overwhelming this year, but we are already starting to see all those amazing pitchers that were suppose to be available a year from now are not even hitting the market (Weaver, Wainwright). I have a hard time believing that my team with CJ Wilson and Carlos Pena wouldn't be better the next two years than your team with Fielder and Rodrigo Lopez.

Tired of hearing his dad career.Prince is not his dad. So PLEASE stop that argument. Wainwright was never an option for 2013. Everyone knew they going to pick up his option. Honestly it wouldnt be CJ/Pena vs Fielder/Lopez... Assuming Cubs GM would get a better option on trade market or sign a 1 year deal for a guy coming off injury or down year
 

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Tired of hearing his dad career.Prince is not his dad. So PLEASE stop that argument. Wainwright was never an option for 2013. Everyone knew they going to pick up his option. Honestly it wouldnt be CJ/Pena vs Fielder/Lopez.

He isn't his dad, but he does have a very similar body type. It is something to be wary about. I would love to add Fielder, but if it means that the pitching has to be left alone than that is the wrong move for this season and beyond.
 

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well cubs will befucking terrible again next year anyway. might as well bring along this trash. ill probably slit my wrists next year watching the cubs.
 

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He isn't his dad, but he does have a very similar body type. It is something to be wary about. I would love to add Fielder, but if it means that the pitching has to be left alone than that is the wrong move for this season and beyond.

As you said there is only 1 pitcher that is worth anything past 2012. Then there are guys in 2013 in SP that is worth getting while 1B FA over the next 2 years its Fielder, Pujols, and then NOTHING in 2013. So i fill my 1B with a Superstar then try to get vets/ injury guys on 1 year deal next year and then go after SP in 2013...There is NO WAY all those guys resign. There was even article on ESPN saying just cause Weaver took home discount that they dont expect Hamels, Cain + to do so.
 

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As you said there is only 1 pitcher that is worth anything past 2012. Then there are guys in 2013 in SP that is worth getting while 1B FA over the next 2 years its Fielder, Pujols, and then NOTHING in 2013. So i fill my 1B with a Superstar then try to get vets/ injury guys on 1 year deal next year and then go after SP in 2013...There is NO WAY all those guys resign. There was even article on ESPN saying just cause Weaver took home discount that they dont expect Hamels, Cain + to do so.
Look we've gone back and forth on this. I just don't see how you can ignore pitching in the short term, and hope that guys will be out there for you down the road. I understand the value of Fielder and if I can get a legitimate upgrade to the top of the rotation (Wilson, Buehrle etc.) than I would be more than happy with that offseason. That said I am just hoping that we can land one of the top FAs at a position of need for this team.
 

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Look we've gone back and forth on this. I just don't see how you can ignore pitching in the short term, and hope that guys will be out there for you down the road. I understand the value of Fielder and if I can get a legitimate upgrade to the top of the rotation (Wilson, Buehrle etc.) than I would be more than happy with that offseason. That said I am just hoping that we can land one of the top FAs at a position of need for this team.


When the team is bad as the Cubs there are quite of few needs. Yes SP is prolly a bigger need but just like the draft i dont pick SP spec over 1B spec who has more potential because the team needs it. I pick what can HELP the team for next year and the future. Fielder improves the team 2012 and since only be 28 he would still be in his prime in 2-3 years which by then Cubs should be about done with rebuilding face. So im thinking 2-3 years down the road more then next year.
 

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When the team is bad as the Cubs there are quite of few needs. Yes SP is prolly a bigger need but just like the draft i dont pick SP spec over 1B spec who has more potential because the team needs it. I pick what can HELP the team for next year and the future. Fielder improves the team 2012 and since only be 28 he would still be in his prime in 2-3 years which by then Cubs should be about done with rebuilding face. So im thinking 2-3 years down the road more then next year.

I understand the logic D3A. I just seeing pitching need as more dire than I think some of at this point in time. I disagree with your analogy because free agency is the definition of making moves for the short term versus the draft which is long term. Because in baeball prospects are so far away from making an impact at the time of the draft it doesn't make sense to draft for needs on the big league club. Whereas in free agency what else are suppose to address apart from the short term needs of the club.
 

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I understand the logic D3A. I just seeing pitching need as more dire than I think some of at this point in time. I disagree with your analogy because free agency is the definition of making moves for the short term versus the draft which is long term. Because in baeball prospects are so far away from making an impact at the time of the draft it doesn't make sense to draft for needs on the big league club. Whereas in free agency what else are suppose to address apart from the short term needs of the club.


I believe where Cubs are at they cant think about the short term in FA right now. There in a special situation where they can think about FA for 2-3 years down the road. Fielder jut fits that bill perfect.
 

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Re: Cubs’ Lopez might pitch himself onto next year’s team

Oh please don't let him come back...please

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this is why pitching should be a priority in the offseason and going into next season
 

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Another thing that Fielder would help GREATLY is walks. He leads NL in walks. So if they get Fielder and with Jackson minor league numbers in walks that would be 2 spots that improves OBP big time. If you remember right 2008 walking becomes contagious. Guys will let the next guy be the hero
 

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Does anyone actually think that the Cubs will have Rodrigo in their rotation this year? That was just a "Ihavetomeetmydeadline" type of article from Gordo. It's pure speculation. If we hire a GM that lets a 36 year old pitcher with a career era of 5.13 in the NL, I think we are going to have much bigger, long-term problems.
 

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Does anyone actually think that the Cubs will have Rodrigo in their rotation this year? That was just a "Ihavetomeetmydeadline" type of article from Gordo. It's pure speculation. If we hire a GM that lets a 36 year old pitcher with a career era of 5.13 in the NL, I think we are going to have much bigger, long-term problems.

Very good point. Dont think a new GM would want to show Cub fans he going to bring in same guys that Hendry did to get him fired
 

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Does anyone actually think that the Cubs will have Rodrigo in their rotation this year? That was just a "Ihavetomeetmydeadline" type of article from Gordo. It's pure speculation. If we hire a GM that lets a 36 year old pitcher with a career era of 5.13 in the NL, I think we are going to have much bigger, long-term problems.
I don't put anything past the Cubs :lol:

Rodrigo Lopez is a servicable spot starter at best.
 

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I don't put anything past the Cubs :lol:

Rodrigo Lopez is a servicable spot starter at best.

At AAA. I wouldn't mind having him as a 7th SP or something like that, waiting in the wings at AAA, but he sucks. He can be okay, as we are seeing in the last couple of starts, but even a blind squirrel will find a nut
 

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