Dempster Exercises Option for 2012

[X]

He'll make $14MM next season, barring any changes..
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/ryan-dempster-exercised-2012-option.html
Honestly, I'd love to keep him beyond next season, by renegotiating his current deal.

Instead of giving him $14MM for one season, what about $25-27MM over the next 3 seasons? He hinted at wanting to stay in chicago beyond next season...and he's still a good pitcher...the article points out his peripherals were still well above avg. last season.

 

[Jntg4]

More Dumpster?

 

[Rice Cube]

He'll make $14MM next season, barring any changes..
Ryan Dempster Exercises 2012 Option: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
Honestly, I'd love to keep him beyond next season, by renegotiating his current deal.

Instead of giving him $14MM for one season, what about $25-27MM over the next 3 seasons? He hinted at wanting to stay in chicago beyond next season...and he's still a good pitcher...the article points out his peripherals were still well above avg. last season.

His peripherals are fine and I think he suffered from bad luck and a few bad innings. However, being that he's getting older, I don't think you want to overspend for a guy who's about to exit his prime. Not that I hate Dempster, I just would rather he have gone free agent and for the Cubs to snag up another draft pick.

 

[tbo41fan]

I like it....wish the price was better though

 

[daddies3angels]

This must mean that cubs not rebuilding mode. You think if they were Theo would have told him and you think he try to get 2-3 year deal with contender

 

[tbo41fan]

This must mean that cubs not rebuilding mode. You think if they were Theo would have told him and you think he try to get 2-3 year deal with contender

no....he wouldnt get this much money elsewhere

he is in it for the money, not the rebuilding or not rebuilding aspect

 

[Lex L.]

He'll make $14MM next season, barring any changes..
Ryan Dempster Exercises 2012 Option: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
Honestly, I'd love to keep him beyond next season, by renegotiating his current deal.

Instead of giving him $14MM for one season, what about $25-27MM over the next 3 seasons? He hinted at wanting to stay in chicago beyond next season...and he's still a good pitcher...the article points out his peripherals were still well above avg. last season.

No thanks. It's time to let go of 2008.

 

[X]

Understood all arguments against my proposal...but my point is, Dempster @ 8-9M year IS market value for a pitcher like him, imo...and it would save us money next season...Dempster would still be a #3 pitcher beyond next season that would eat up major innings and be capable of that 3.5 era.

As I said, I understand arguments the other way though...

 

[Rice Cube]

Understood all arguments against my proposal...but my point is, Dempster @ 8-9M year IS market value for a pitcher like him, imo...and it would save us money next season...Dempster would still be a #3 pitcher beyond next season that would eat up major innings and be capable of that 3.5 era.

As I said, I understand arguments the other way though...

Yeah, I think if you assume that Dempster can cough up two wins per season over replacement, he'd easily earn the contract you proposed, but at the same time you wonder whether someone in the minors or acquired in a trade could produce similar numbers for cheaper. It's not that Dempster's not good (he doesn't completely suck) but more what would fit with the long term.

 

[Lex L.]

Understood all arguments against my proposal...but my point is, Dempster @ 8-9M year IS market value for a pitcher like him, imo...and it would save us money next season...Dempster would still be a #3 pitcher beyond next season that would eat up major innings and be capable of that 3.5 era.

As I said, I understand arguments the other way though...

I think they neeed to look to trade Dempster asap. At some point, his level of play might really drop off and even though this is just one more year, we could still possibly get something for him. Other teams could rationalize it from the standpoint that he's a good locker room guy to go along with not completely sucking. I just don't see how keeping Dempster helps.

 

[X]

I think they neeed to look to trade Dempster asap. At some point, his level of play might really drop off and even though this is just one more year, we could still possibly get something for him. Other teams could rationalize it from the standpoint that he's a good locker room guy to go along with not completely sucking. I just don't see how keeping Dempster helps.

slightly above avg. pitcher...innings eater....good lockerroom guy...he definitely helps, but he's paid like a fringe #1 pitcher, and production is closer to 3, imo...

but the only way we get anything back for him is if we trade him and eat $5M imo, and he's got 10-5 rights, so he'd have to agree to it in the first place.

 

[Lex L.]

slightly above avg. pitcher...innings eater....good lockerroom guy...he definitely helps, but he's paid like a fringe #1 pitcher, and production is closer to 3, imo...

but the only way we get anything back for him is if we trade him and eat $5M imo, and he's got 10-5 rights, so he'd have to agree to it in the first place.

He'd likely agree to it due to the fact that the only people who'd be willing to roll the dice on him we would be a team like the Yankees or other big market teams.

I like how everyone always says, "...unless we eat $__" like they know.

But in that event, he's not worth eating half of his salary to not have him on the team, unless we get something more substantive back.

But aside from the fatalistic take that exists about every Cubs player ever, I'm pretty sure the Red Sox and Yankees wouldnt mind having a guy like Dempster after what they spent on Burnett and Lackey. And Im not talking about taking on Lackey or Burnett either.

 

[Rice Cube]

He'd likely agree to it due to the fact that the only people who'd be willing to roll the dice on him we would be a team like the Yankees or other big market teams.

I like how everyone always says, "...unless we eat $__" like they know.

But in that event, he's not worth eating half of his salary to not have him on the team, unless we get something more substantive back.

But aside from the fatalistic take that exists about every Cubs player ever, I'm pretty sure the Red Sox and Yankees wouldnt mind having a guy like Dempster after what they spent on Burnett and Lackey. And Im not talking about taking on Lackey or Burnett either.

The money's basically spent, it's just a matter of how much in a prospect package you can retrieve from teams who would be interested in Dempster. Otherwise, might as well keep him for the season and keep a dialogue open to see whether they can get away with offering arb, him declining, and pocketing the draft pick since he's going to be at least Type B and probably remain at Type A. I'd have to look that up but I'm fairly certain he's still Type A.

 

[Uman85]

He's a better option than Zambrano. No complaints from me.

 

[brett05]

Dumpster might renegoitiate for a three year but not 24-27. He's got 14 for one year in hand. He's probably 2 yr 20 million on his next/last contract

 

[Rice Cube]

The thing that I am not sure has been mentioned yet is that Dempster has a special-needs daughter who receives treatment in the Chicago area, and his charitable foundation is also based here, so he might want to stay for reasons that are not monetary or career-based.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

the best possible option to get dempster out is by trading(although imo i'd like to keep him for a reasonable price...right now he is our second best pitcher) him

if we get rid of dempster, then we probably need to bring in a pitcher or two as well..because our pitching will be atrocious(of course, there is the argument that our pitching is not exactly great with dempster and garza)

 

[Rice Cube]

the best possible option to get dempster out is by trading(although imo i'd like to keep him for a reasonable price...right now he is our second best pitcher) him

if we get rid of dempster, then we probably need to bring in a pitcher or two as well..because our pitching will be atrocious(of course, there is the argument that our pitching is not exactly great with dempster and garza)

I think with his age, unless a team in contention is desperate, teams aren't going to give the Cubs good pitching prospects back unless Theo can engineer a swindle-type trade.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I think with his age, unless a team in contention is desperate, teams aren't going to give the Cubs good pitching prospects back unless Theo can engineer a swindle-type trade.

i was kind of alluding to that...if we traded demp we probably wouldnt get a good pitching prospect out of it..but we would still get atleast something out of it

when i said get a pitcher or two, i'm talking more about signing out of free agency or another(larger or higher value) trade

 

[Rice Cube]

i was kind of alluding to that...if we traded demp we probably wouldnt get a good pitching prospect out of it..but we would still get atleast something out of it

when i said get a pitcher or two, i'm talking more about signing out of free agency or another(larger or higher value) trade

I'm guessing that the new brain trust assumed Dempster would pick up his option and would work around that. Garza and Dempster up top, they have to decide whether to bring Zambrano back, then see about Wells and Cashner, maybe Samardzija, maybe even give McNutt a try (assuming he's not in the compensation package) or throw money at CJ Wilson or Edwin Jackson.