Deng continues to Fold Like a Lawn Chair!

[Hendu0520]

Yes Deng is having a solid year, much better than the past 2 years, and probably is the best he is ever going to get. However he continues to make me extremely angry because he can NEVER do anything in the 2nd half of a game, especially in the 4th quarter. 16pts in the 1st quarter against the Clippers and he built a house the rest of the game. No one else had a good game either (including Rose) but no one else started out super hot and then scored 2 points in 3 quarters!

Sam Smith tried to blame it on the Bulls not milking a hot shooter, please Sam, I don't care if Deng makes 18 in a row I would never want to keep feeding him the ball. Sam then blamed the Bulls for dumping it to Deng and then not moving and that forces Deng to create, which he can't do. So Sam did they not feed Deng or did they? Please make up your mind. Also how do you feed a guy if he can't create for himself? Just stop it Smith. Deng folds with any kinda attention payed to him, he is a 4th option on a good team.

He also kills me because it seems like when he is hot offensively he can't play any defense. Deng made Rasual Butler look like an all star. He seems to do ok against the big challenges, Durant or Lebron types, but the bumbs eat him alive.

The type of player Deng is should be way more reliable. Most hustle players bring it every night, because they don't know how to play any other way. I still can't figure Loul "Loser" Deng out. Is he a great defender? No Shooter? (he can never make big time shots)no Rebounder? maybe for his position but he gets out muscled in the 4th. I think he could be a solid piece to a championship contender but he has to be a 4th or 5th option he sucks with too much responsibility.

 

[Hendu0520]

According to 82games.com Deng is shooting 28%FG and would average 14 ppg if you took his last 5 mins of the 4th quarter and applied it to 48 minutes, he plays the most minutes on our team(The Bulls are the only team with a clear cut number 1 guy playing less minutes than someone else, Rose plays less than Deng, Horrible!)

Deng isn't Wilt so he plays about 38mpg so we can drop that number to about 10ppg if he played like he does in the clutch.

 

[houheffna]

Deng is not a bad player and is not a loser. Yes he has reached his peak...he can shoot the ball well enough...he is a good rebounder at his position and defends fairly well....I don't believe he is as bad as you making him out to be...

 

[jsain360]

I agree w/ Hou, Deng is a good player, don't expect him to close, David Robinson wasn't a great closer but he is HOF, I like the production Deng gives us, I just don't expect him to be their in the 4th on the offensive end.

 

[theCHI_Life84]

its annoying to watch him disappear in the 4th. but he is pretty consistent on defense. however im not totally sure if hes playing up to his contract just yet. not sure he ever will.

 

[MikeMeraz]

lol I was watching the first 5 minutes of the game and thought, holy crap. Maybe Deng can get 40 to help us get this win. Could be a career night for him. He looked like he just had that feeling, you know how the "Stars" say, that whole thing when "The Basket looks like an ocean". BUT....

Then he disappears in thin air. We lose. He couldn't score the next 3 quarters except for 2 free throws I think.

 

[Shakes]

I just checked the rule book and although you wouldn't believe it considering some of the hyperbole in this thread, 2 points in the first quarter count for as much as 2 points in the last.

 

[Hendu0520]

JSain I'm not expecting Deng to close, but he can't just disapear and miss every shot. If Rose has 4 guys collapse on him and he is open he has to hit the shot. And David Robinson was way better than Deng, lol.

Shakes, I understand that point and I guess I'll give you that but when you start a game well the natural human assumption is that you would atlest contribute a little bit the rest of the game. At least something, its not like he dominates with his defense he is just solid.

 

[Shakes]

The thing is you'd expect Deng's scoring and FG% to go down at the end of games. If you're behind you have to start throwing up desperation shots, hence everyone's FG% goes down. If you're ahead you're usually being fouled, and Deng isn't usually the guy we try to get the ball to for that. I'm not saying this accounts for all of Deng's drop in production, but it's certainly part of the story. As you mention Deng is logging heavy minutes, so it's also possible that he's tiring towards the end of games: he's also only scoring 13.6 points on 40.7% in the second games of back to backs which suggests Vinny does need to rest him more if possible.

I'd like Deng to score more at the end of games, but I think too much emphasis is put on it. Everyone loves the guy who hit the game winner, yet the guy who put up 10 points in the first quarter to keep the game close enough for that game winner to happen doesn't get any credit.

 

[Hendu0520]

Well that's fine but 2 points from your second leading scorer? That just can't happen.

Also yes I would love it if we could rest Deng, I think I made the point that The Bulls are the only team in the NBA with a clear cut number 1 player who doesn't play the most minutes on his team. Deng plays more than Rose, all other star players lead their teams in minutes. I am not counting teams that don't have a clear number 1. I don't care why Deng is not scoring he just needs to score.

Once again tonight Deng and Hinrich try to do too much in overtime and they lose. Did you see Deng's brick late in the fourth that hit a part of the backboard that I didn't think you could hit. He was wide open and it wouldv'e been a Rose assist, lol. Deng folded once again, sorry Shakes I feel that scoring in the 4th is important. I am happy that DRose is one of the leaders in 4th quarter points, we could pick up a few more wins if Deng could just hit some open shots once and a while after the first half.

 

[Hendu0520]

Oh and if we know he isn't gonna play after the first half and that is just as important to score in the 1st half than we should just sit him the second half and then I wouldn't be complaining.

 

[Shakes]

My point isn't that I don't want Luol to do better in the 4th. Obviously everyone wants that. My point is that you have to judge a player by his overall performance, and he is playing pretty well this year. While he hasn't had too many great performances he's also probably had the fewest bad games on the team too. He wont live up to his 6/74 contract, but that was a stupid deal even when we signed him to it so no point dwelling on it.

I do feel 38 MPG is too much for him, but it's been hard to restrict his minutes with the best backup SF needed at guard more often than not. Hopefully with Brown here Salmons can play more SF and give Deng more rest.

 

[cool007]

Deng is a good 3rd option on a contending team (Lamar Odom type). If he is your 2nd best player then you don't have a contending team.

Deng is a perfect 3rd/4th option to have. The guy will get the game going and do most of his stuff in the 3 qtrs but then your top 2 players finish it off with a win. The problem is we have 1st option but no 2nd option on this team, that is what we/mgmt wants him to be but 1 word - "FAIL".

 

[marines1]

TRADE HIM

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Why do Chicago sports fans fall head over heals for any player who can rub two sticks together?

Deng is a decent role player on a good team. We already know he can't carry a team, and is getting old.

The goal was to win a championship, and that's not happening, especailly with Deng as your leading scorer. He needs to be traded for whatever the Bulls can get for him, before he walks. Clear salary and move on. Get Dunleavy the **** out of here while you're at it.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Why was this thread bumped...?

 

[Scoot26]

LOL this thread is from our merger with another forum and their posts were migrated. All of these posts were made before CCS even existed.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Deng is not a bad player and is not a loser. Yes he has reached his peak...he can shoot the ball well enough...he is a good rebounder at his position and defends fairly well....I don't believe he is as bad as you making him out to be...

I agree

 

[clonetrooper264]

LOL this thread is from our merger with another forum and their posts were migrated. All of these posts were made before CCS even existed.

Bahaha you're right. These are from the Bullspodcasters.com forums. I remember some of these people. Too bad they never joined us here on CCS.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Bahaha you're right. These are from the Bullspodcasters.com forums. I remember some of these people. Too bad they never joined us here on CCS.

But the most important people did!