Detroit… start McCown, and welcome back Cutler only if...

[mac bear]

I know I should sit down and look through all the posts, as to not 'repost' or over post this, but I headed this specifically with DETROIT game.

We all heard last night and periodically today that Cutler 'could be ready to go' next week. I think the smart move would be to start McCown regardless of Cutler's 'being ready or not'. It would work on many fronts. One, it would give McCown what I think he's earned… a chance to win an even bigger (now) game than last night's, and, if he falters, give Cutler the chance to come in and 'strut his stuff'. If McCown goes hard and wins it, win - win. Cutler rests a week longer, and McCown is hero (all good for his confidence, and no harm, no foul on Jay).

If he struggles, for whatever reason… in comes Cutler to hopefully show some heroics that we would expect from the QB of the 'future' (he'd have a LOT of inspiration -- shut up critics, wake up contract negotiations, swell up fans as we start to actually start to believe in the team and the potential for the playoffs).

Worst case scenario, McCown sucks, Cutler comes in, throws a pick six and re-injures his groin. AND then it's all on Palmer, and he wins it, while Edwards is re-invited back…

ummm… I like the McCown starts, and plays a solid game and gets the win and Cutler rests scenario the best...

 

[Teddy KGB]

I'd start McCown for Detroit as well.

However, if McCown really is starting, and the Bears are just fucking with Detroit to get them to prepare for Cutler, that would be hilarious, and I am all for it.

 

[mac bear]

Then again, maybe Ratcliffe can play QB? If McNown, Cutler, Palmer, Bennett, Edwards, fuck it, Wallace, all go down next week, maybe Ratcliffe (spelling?) will come in and play?

But he may re-injure his knee.

Man, it's getting complicated.

Bottom line is it's nice to have New Life that last night bought us all, eh?

 

[Scoot26]

Its a huge game, and if Cutler is indeed healthy, he should play. I am very skeptical that he is actually healthy though.

He's reminding me of Orton in 2008 when he sprained his ankle then rushed back a week early and the Bears were destroyed by Green Bay.

 

[PrideisBears]

I's rather McCown start as well because you need to be able to move against Detroit's strong front four but at the same time if we don't injure Stafford and Bush it will be a shootout

 

[mac bear]

I'd start McCown for Detroit as well.

However, if McCown really is starting, and the Bears are just fucking with Detroit to get them to prepare for Cutler, that would be hilarious, and I am all for it.

Back to serious. Yeah, I think it would be smart to prep with both QBs… really watch the week and how they roll, and then, kind of roll the dice come game time. It would leave Detroit in a little bit of a prep-mess.

I love the scheming that was going on. The silent, casual solid run game that we ran up on them. It was pretty. Up against a 'solid', albeit depleted 'run D', we did all right.

I was totally not expecting that win last night. It felt weird. Like the battle of the back ups, and still a good game, but not as good, and yet better, but not… you know? Next week is huge.

(Don't we say that every week?)

Cheers

 

[Aqbased]

I know I should sit down and look through all the posts, as to not 'repost' or over post this, but I headed this specifically with DETROIT game.

We all heard last night and periodically today that Cutler 'could be ready to go' next week. I think the smart move would be to start McNown regardless of Cutler's 'being ready or not'. It would work on many fronts. One, it would give McNown what I think he's earned… a chance to win an even bigger (now) game than last night's, and, if he falters, give Cutler the chance to come in and 'strut his stuff'. If McNown goes hard and wins it, win - win. Cutler rests a week longer, and McNown is hero (all good for his confidence, and no harm, no foul on Jay).

If he struggles, for whatever reason… in comes Cutler to hopefully show some heroics that we would expect from the QB of the 'future' (he'd have a LOT of inspiration -- shut up critics, wake up contract negotiations, swell up fans as we start to actually start to believe in the team and the potential for the playoffs).

Worst case scenario, McNown sucks, Cutler comes in, throws a pick six and re-injures his groin. AND then it's all on Palmer, and he wins it, while Edwards is re-invited back…

ummm… I like the McNown starts, and plays a solid game and gets the win and Cutler rests scenario the best...

I'm sorry but this is absurd. If Cutler is ready to go you start him. There's no reason to test our luck just for a feel good story.

 

[mac bear]

Its a huge game, and if Cutler is indeed healthy, he should play. I am very skeptical that he is actually healthy though.

He's reminding me of Orton in 2008 when he sprained his ankle then rushed back a week early and the Bears were destroyed by Green Bay.

I like what Cutler is doing. He's lying about the pain, groin injuries are ridiculous, AND consequently, saying 'he'll take it for the team', should McCown falter. But, he too, right now, must be resting a little easier. The pressure is off.

Watching the game last night, and the 'courage' of McCown, standing in the pocket as he did all night (remember, that's what Gruden and Turenko(?) were saying all night), I couldn't help but think that THIS was affecting Cutler's confidence in the line as well. They were holding the rush back well (granted, again, 'depleted -- ready to handle 'excuses'), and McCown Totally Trusted the line. Cutler has been so banged up over the years (and even in the Groin injury sack), he must see 'Ghosts' differently, than McCown. And, yet, as he watched, and as he will watch, and study the film, I'm sure this will bode well for his confidence to go up even more.

It was such a big win… crazy.

 

[mac bear]

I's rather McCown start as well because you need to be able to move against Detroit's strong front four but at the same time if we don't injure Stafford and Bush it will be a shootout

How many of us said last night, minutes before kickoff, or on that first GB drive, "Man, the only way we win is if we knock Rodgers out". I did. I voiced it aloud, and my buddies heard me. When McClellan 'arrived' (good time for it too), I felt badly about it for about… 3 seconds. Now, of course, I wouldn't wish that on anyone… normally.

But this is the Packers, and that is Detroit. So, let's all agree to chant, aloud at the same time, not the same 'wish', but something similar… cause I don't want to give in to the 'only way we win' factor… but if we all chant, "It sure would be handy to see a similar sack on Stafford", then maybe the cosmic energy floating around might give the Bears a 'fifth Phase'… the cosmic karmic phase.

Dig it.

Of course this is a terrible thing to 'wish for'. I'm feeling badly ab… oh, I'm over it.

 

[nobull]

Re: Detroit… start McNown, and welcome back Cutler only if...

I know I should sit down and look through all the posts, as to not 'repost' or over post this, but I headed this specifically with DETROIT game.

We all heard last night and periodically today that Cutler 'could be ready to go' next week. I think the smart move would be to start McNown regardless of Cutler's 'being ready or not'. It would work on many fronts. One, it would give McNown what I think he's earned… a chance to win an even bigger (now) game than last night's, and, if he falters, give Cutler the chance to come in and 'strut his stuff'. If McNown goes hard and wins it, win - win. Cutler rests a week longer, and McNown is hero (all good for his confidence, and no harm, no foul on Jay).

If he struggles, for whatever reason… in comes Cutler to hopefully show some heroics that we would expect from the QB of the 'future' (he'd have a LOT of inspiration -- shut up critics, wake up contract negotiations, swell up fans as we start to actually start to believe in the team and the potential for the playoffs).

Worst case scenario, McNown sucks, Cutler comes in, throws a pick six and re-injures his groin. AND then it's all on Palmer, and he wins it, while Edwards is re-invited back…

ummm… I like the McNown starts, and plays a solid game and gets the win and Cutler rests scenario the best...

Hey it McCown not McNown.

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[modo]

If Cutler is healthy you go with him.

 

[mac bear]

I'm sorry but this is absurd. If Cutler is ready to go you start him. There's no reason to test our luck just for a feel good story.

Oh, back to serious again. No, it isn't absurd at all. It isn't just a feel good story. The team has been rallying around McNown. A back up in the NFL IS an important role, and this particular back up who has been in the league ten odd years is handling his own. Cutler will NOT be ready. He'll say he's ready, but he'll be playing hurt (like Peppers obviously was, Tillman… like 2/3 of the players in the league).

It is good strategy based on McNown's 100% is better than Cutler's, what, 70% ready? Let's go with 80%… If Cutler is 86% ready, then maybe Cutler's 86% beats McNown's 100%. BUT, the key here is the TEAM is rallying behind the back up to win this as a team. You can see it with the WRs and the blocking and the line and their demanding to go for it on 4th and almost an inch, BUT at the 33 yard line. You can feel this win gave the TEAM credit, and that is what McNown gives.

He isn't ELITE, nor a Superstar, nor a franchise QB, all of which we all argue that Cutler could or couldn't be, BUT he is a team MATE, that is playing lights out, and mistake free.

He's earned it, and it is more than just that. It's smart.

 

[Aqbased]

If Cutler is healthy you go with him.

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[mac bear]

Hey it McCown not McNown.

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Damn.

Thank you. That one I didn't think I spelled wrong. Cade days affecting me… or just plain never noticed.

And Ratcliff, Ratclif, Ratcliffe?

 

[Ares]

McCown would be the better start for THE BEARS.... long term, if we keep winning and Cutler can come back fully healthy..... Cutler would be the better starter for CUTLER.... cause he knows he needs to get back in a show as much as he can for the contract, I hope Trestman is smart and keeps Cutler healing another week, McCown could beat the Lions IMO.

 

[Aqbased]

Oh, back to serious again. No, it isn't absurd at all. It isn't just a feel good story. The team has been rallying around McNown. A back up in the NFL IS an important role, and this particular back up who has been in the league ten odd years is handling his own. Cutler will NOT be ready. He'll say he's ready, but he'll be playing hurt (like Peppers obviously was, Tillman… like 2/3 of the players in the league).

It is good strategy based on McNown's 100% is better than Cutler's, what, 70% ready? Let's go with 80%… If Cutler is 86% ready, then maybe Cutler's 86% beats McNown's 100%. BUT, the key here is the TEAM is rallying behind the back up to win this as a team. You can see it with the WRs and the blocking and the line and their demanding to go for it on 4th and almost an inch, BUT at the 33 yard line. You can feel this win gave the TEAM credit, and that is what McNown gives.

He isn't ELITE, nor a Superstar, nor a franchise QB, all of which we all argue that Cutler could or couldn't be, BUT he is a team MATE, that is playing lights out, and mistake free.

He's earned it, and it is more than just that. It's smart.

Listen here's the problem with your argument...

1.You're throwing out baseless facts about how ready Cutler is health wise...
2.Cutler said he will be ready, against your...Cutler will not be ready.
3.Your arguing that the offense worked harder for McCown than Cutler, WITHOUT considering it was against our rivals and our team will play just as hard nonetheless of which quarterback is out there.

But then you dropped some knowledge,

BUT he is a team MATE, that is playing lights out, and mistake free.

Any Given Sunday anything can happen. Regardless whether he has earned a start, WE ARE PAYING CUTLER TO START and Josh to backup.

 

[mac bear]

If Cutler is healthy you go with him.

My point.

Who is to say that he is 100% healthy. ALL experts, and even the non-experts, but people who have had groin injuries, reiterate the same thing… it's a tricky injury that can take a long, long time to heal. By his reaction, it was a serious pull, or a tear. Sure, doing the basic moves, and planting without pressure and throwing, he feels fine, and 'put me in coach'. BUT, it's the lateral moves, the sudden plant and move to the side to deek a player… it's the unpredictability of the game and the situations that will make he 'not ready'.

THIS is where sane minds have to come in. I want Cutler. I like him, and there was NO comparison, in MY opinion, between him and McCown in terms of who I want to lead us into and through the playoffs, BUT, I don't' want him in against Detroit, if he is not really ready.

Can you say Suh? It has been made very clear that his ethics and morals may be a little suspect. This also comes from leadership, and Detroit has been questioned in this capacity quite a bit. There's a reason for it… the dirty hits, well, maybe in the locker room, their merely 'frowned' upon, with a wink, type thing. You don't think that should Cutler play, and play well, and we get up on the Lions, they won't go after, in play design, making Cutler move in the direction or 'way' that might aggravate that injury?

C'mon man! Sure as shit they will. That's basic coaching, 101, 2 and 3. Morally suspect, sure, but it's the game. And it's played on all sides.

 

[mac bear]

Listen here's the problem with your argument...

1.You're throwing out baseless facts about how ready Cutler is health wise...
2.Cutler said he will be ready, against your...Cutler will not be ready.
3.Your arguing that the offense worked harder for McCown than Cutler, WITHOUT considering it was against our rivals and our team will play just as hard nonetheless of which quarterback is out there.

But then you dropped some knowledge,

Any Given Sunday anything can happen. Regardless whether he has earned a start, WE ARE PAYING CUTLER TO START and Josh to backup.

That's cool, but not quite what I'm trying to say. Note the problem with writing vs sitting beside each other, with a beer in hand, arguing.

1. You're 100% right, I do not know if Cutler is healthy. BUT, the groin, as it has been said implicitly, is a tricky injury. My post above speaks on that. BUt you are right, and if he says he's ready, maybe. However, another poster, ARES, said, "If Cutler plays, he's playing for Cutler"… and a contract, and maybe there is something to that in this capacity. He wants to get back in to prove he is needed… He is, obviously, but maybe if McCown keeps playing as well as he is, the system that Trestman has implemented might dictate that the TEAM doesn't need a Cutler… if you follow.
2. Same argument. I'm not saying… I'm just questioning. No law against that… and it's what these forums are for, IMO. People taking stabs at answering the questions.
3. I never meant to say that the O is comparatively working harder. Didn't mean to say that. I just meant to say that they are working hard, and yeah, you're right… it was the Packers, and this IS Detroit, who already beat us… but, it's not black and white.

Finally, yeah, we're paying Cutler to start, and to win. But we're also paying our back up to do just that, and while Cutler isn't 100% and while the back up doing the job well enough (I never said don't play Cutler, I say dress him, prep him, ready him, but hope he isn't needed), let the back up do HIS job.

 

[fenderpfunk]

Dual QB shotgun - snap the ball to mccown...let him scan the field flip it to jay and let him rocket launch that thing 50 yards on a rope to a streaking (yes, naked) alshon JEFFREEZE

 

[fenderpfunk]

Detroit will be scared