Don't Blame It On The Good Times, Blame It On Keith Bogans.

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Bogans is a good backup. I think Brewer should and will be starting very soon.
 

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shouldn't we blame thibs? I just want an explanation for why this is happening. I'm not overly upset, i'm mostly confused. It's kinda like if Brad pitt dumped angelina to date oprah. You have to wonder 'why?!'.
 

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shouldn't we blame thibs? I just want an explanation for why this is happening. I'm not overly upset, i'm mostly confused. It's kinda like if Brad pitt dumped angelina to date oprah. You have to wonder 'why?!'.

The article says don't blame Bogans since he doesn't decide his own playing time, the title is just to be catchy.

Thibs' current reasoning is he doesn't want to make another change to the starting lineup when Boozer has just come in.
 

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I'd prefer to blame it on the alcohol.
 

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not to mention the article also states this isnt the first time bogans is getting undeserved minutes and a non worthy starter, he is doing something right to get the coaches on his side, what that something is may be a mystery.
 

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Bogans should be 3rd on the SG depth chart.
 

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maybe 2nd man, i love korver but the dudes D is weak
 

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well, when we did get bogans he was supposed to be a bench player. i just wonder how long its going to take until he is gone from the starters role.
 

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Korver's defense is whatever it is. He's not jason kapono, nor is he david lee. He's a perimeter defender. People are goign to beat you off the dribble on the perimeter any day of the week.

here's the thing about starting korver. He's going to get his minutes. Whether it be off the bench or starting. The argument isn't whether korver should be playing 25 minutes or 30 minutes. The argument is whether he should start or not. Korver is probably going to get 25-30 minutes a night. Brewer should absorb the rest. If korver starts, he's going to see playing time with rose and boozer on the offensive end. This will help him shoot. We'll also see him with joahkim noah, whose a really really good help defender. Also he's the best pick and role defender in the league.

On the bench you put him with cj. You force cj to look for him off screens. It throws cj off. Starting bogans throws him off for the simple fact that he's not good enough to be a starter. Also Brewer doesn't really need plays called for him like korver does. He hustles. It makes more sense to let the starters create for korver, and let cj do his thing off the bench. Also asik and taj will be his help defenders. Taj is a better defender than boozer, but asik isn't as good as noah.

The caliber of nba 2 guards aren't such that you're going to get killed by korver on a nightly basis. Besides wade, kobe, evans, and ellis there aren't too many 2 guards that kill you with athleticism. Guards like JAckson and kevin martin's games can be neutralized with good positional defense. Korver isn't a bad defender, he's just slow. He can play good positional defense against a lot of these guards. He'll get killed against the athletic guards, but sub in brewer for those guys. But the majority of the league is guys like affallo, brandon rush, whoever the knicks are starting, parker/gibson, jamal crawford, and raja bell/cj miles. You're not gonna get killed by starting korver against those guys.

plus as i've already said, if korver is getting killed, put brewer in. Starting a guy doesn't mean you have to play him.
 

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Agreed, there just aren't that many SGs to fear, the number of players who can abuse a slower player is pretty limited. I'm not sure why everyone assumed Korver is awful defensively anyway, I know the stereotype of white shooters is that they can't defend a pet rock, but Korver does a decent enough job of being in position even if he's clearly lacking the physical gifts to be a top defender.

It's not like Brewer is a top man defender either, he's a disruption defender who picks off passes and pokes the ball away. If someone is torching the Bulls it really relies on slowing them down the best you can and hope Noah/Gibson/Asik will stop them at the hoop.
 

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Agreed, there just aren't that many SGs to fear, the number of players who can abuse a slower player is pretty limited. I'm not sure why everyone assumed Korver is awful defensively anyway, I know the stereotype of white shooters is that they can't defend a pet rock, but Korver does a decent enough job of being in position even if he's clearly lacking the physical gifts to be a top defender.

It's not like Brewer is a top man defender either, he's a disruption defender who picks off passes and pokes the ball away. If someone is torching the Bulls it really relies on slowing them down the best you can and hope Noah/Gibson/Asik will stop them at the hoop.

We should have learned from the Ben Gordon argument not to under appreciate perimeter defense. That was an area the Bulls wanted to address in the offseason. Better perimeter defense may be one of the leading reasons why Noah doesn't foul out of games more often. And perimeter D is absolutely paramount in the playoffs. Korver would get abused out there, and yeah, there are PLENTY of wing players that would qualify to abuse Korver.

I wouldn't be totally against it, if it happens, I hope it works. I just don't like the chances of it working.
 

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Those teams with Ben Gordon (with Skiles as coach) were some of the best defensive teams in the league. You can cope with having some weak perimeter defenders so long as they try hard and play their role in slowing the opposition down before they hit your bigs.
 

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Don't blame it on the sunshine
Don't blame it on the moon light
Don't blame it on the good times
Blame it on Keith Bogans!

Sunshine!
Moon Light!
Good Times!
Bogans!

The article says don't blame Bogans since he doesn't decide his own playing time, the title is just to be catchy.

Thibs' current reasoning is he doesn't want to make another change to the starting lineup when Boozer has just come in.
 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjW1iq4IO2k]YouTube - Jackson five-Blame it on the boogie[/ame]
 

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I didnt read the article. Bogans sucks. Called it when we signed him. I hope he's gone at the trade deadline. Brown, Matthews, Morrow, should have had two of the 3 IMO.
 

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