Doug's Best case scenario

[DASMACKDOWN]

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chi...2009-10-chicago-bulls-best-case-scenario.html

53 wins.

Seems high? Check out these guys. They finished a bit better, and Derrick Rose is unlikely top top Chris Paul's third year in his second. However, they played in a tougher conference with a tougher schedule and had a fairly pedestrian cast past Chris Paul..

The most obvious and important change from last season to this season to hit the best case scenario is a massive improvement in Derrick's game. Rose showed flashes of complete unstoppability last season, and when/if those flashes become the status quo rather than the flash, the Bulls will destory opponents.

I agree with alot of what Doug has to say. To say we could only win 30 if things go wrong and 53 if they go right I think is about right. While 53 may seem high, you cannot underestimate the effects of a superstar. If Rose is a superstar, 50 might seem rather easy with the supporting cast we have.

I thought about, and think of Miami Heat here.

That team won 43 games last year.

And their team is considerably worse than ours by far. But still ended up winning more games than we did because of Wade.

Miami can be viewed the same way. If Wade is hurt or isnt 100% that team wins 25-30 games max. But a healthy Wade, the team could win 45-50

 

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DASMACKDOWN wrote:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chi...2009-10-chicago-bulls-best-case-scenario.html

53 wins.

Seems high? Check out these guys. They finished a bit better, and Derrick Rose is unlikely top top Chris Paul's third year in his second. However, they played in a tougher conference with a tougher schedule and had a fairly pedestrian cast past Chris Paul..

The most obvious and important change from last season to this season to hit the best case scenario is a massive improvement in Derrick's game. Rose showed flashes of complete unstoppability last season, and when/if those flashes become the status quo rather than the flash, the Bulls will destory opponents.

I agree with alot of what Doug has to say. To say we could only win 30 if things go wrong and 53 if they go right I think is about right. While 53 may seem high, you cannot underestimate the effects of a superstar. If Rose is a superstar, 50 might seem rather easy with the supporting cast we have.

I thought about, and think of Miami Heat here.

That team won 43 games last year.

And their team is considerably worse than ours by far. But still ended up winning more games than we did because of Wade.

Miami can be viewed the same way. If Wade is hurt or isnt 100% that team wins 25-30 games max. But a healthy Wade, the team could win 45-50

I could see the Heat still being a .500 team if Wade went down for 30 some games, depending on how much of a leap Michael Beasley makes going into his second season.

 

[houheffna]

Beasley is not that good, he doesn't have a position, and he has mental problems. He is not part of the equation right now.

Wade is so good he is a .500 team by himself practically. But Beasley is not that good at all. I was not impressed last year but we will see...

 

[pinkizdead]

he was their second leading scorer off the bench. also he has the body type of a sf. i think the move to the 3 position might hel p him.

 

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houheffna wrote:

Beasley is not that good, he doesn't have a position, and he has mental problems. He is not part of the equation right now.

Wade is so good he is a .500 team by himself practically. But Beasley is not that good at all. I was not impressed last year but we will see...

When Beasley got the opportunity to play, he played well.

Some of his games from last season:

25 points and 4 rebounds against Charlotte
20 points and 8 rebounds against the Spurs
24 points and 5 rebounds against the Clippers
20 points and 8 rebounds against the Grizzlies
15 points and 12 rebounds against the Spurs
23 points and 10 rebounds against the Kings
23 points and 5 rebounds against the Lakers
21 points and 4 rebounds against the Bucks
17 points and 11 rebounds against the Celtics
18 points and 10 rebounds against the Mavericks
21 points and 7 rebounds against the Bulls
23 points and 5 rebounds against the Hawks
28 points and 9 rebounds against the Suns
18 points and 7 rebounds against the Bulls
21 points and 7 rebounds against the Celtics
25 points and 9 rebounds against the Hornets
23 points and 13 rebounds against the Celtics
28 points and 16 rebounds against the Knicks
23 points and 13 rebounds against the Hawks
22 points and 5 rebounds against the Pistons

That's not impressive? When a rookie puts up a laundry list of games of that quality, they're pretty damn good. The whole Beasley problem was Spoelstra, who would seemingly bench Beasley for no reason.

His April split is amazing. 20.6 PPG on 60.6 TS% and 8.6 rebounds in just 31 minutes.

A rookie who can put up 14 and 5 for a season in just 24 MPG is pretty impressive.

What the Heat should have done was make Beasley the starting power forward from day one, like the Bulls did with Rose. Instead they dicked around with the guy.

And for the record, Beasley doesn't have mental problems. He was forced into the rehab program because he was in the weed room at the rookie seminar, not because he has some horrible drug addiction.

 

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pinkizdead wrote:

he was their second leading scorer off the bench. also he has the body type of a sf. i think the move to the 3 position might hel p him.

Beasley's plenty big enough to play power forward. Standing reach is what really matters, and Beasley beats guys like Udonis Haslem, Joakim Noah, Darrell Arthur, David Lee, Drew Gooden, Dejuan Blair, Kevin Love, Tyler Hansborough, Paul Millsap, Matt Bonner, Brian Scalabrine, Troy Murphy, James Johnson, BLAKE GRIFFIN, Mark Madsen, Shelden Williams in standing reach.

Beasley also has the strength and weight to play the power forward position.

Beasley will be best used at the power forward spot where he can use his quickness and ball handling to create a giant mismatch.

 

[houheffna]

And for the record, Beasley doesn't have mental problems. He was forced into the rehab program because he was in the weed room at the rookie seminar, not because he has some horrible drug addiction.

Where are you getting your info from? What is the "weed room"? Why would they force him into rehab damn near a year later over that? The team nor the league will talk about specifics concerning his rehab stint because it is a violation of their rules. But the rookie seminar is not much of a reason...

 

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houheffna wrote:

And for the record, Beasley doesn't have mental problems. He was forced into the rehab program because he was in the weed room at the rookie seminar, not because he has some horrible drug addiction.

Where are you getting your info from? What is the "weed room"? Why would they force him into rehab damn near a year later over that? The team nor the league will talk about specifics concerning his rehab stint because it is a violation of their rules. But the rookie seminar is not much of a reason...

The rookie seminar is the entire reason. He was put into an outpatient program for 30 days. He broke one of the program's non-drug related rules, and was forced into going into the inpatient program (or never play in the NBA again).

 

[houheffna]

The whole Beasley thing is confusing and evidently things are being leaked out but the whole truth has not been revealed. So I will leave that subject alone until the total truth comes out, because I keep reading conflicting reports.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I don't think 53 wins is out of the question if everything goes right, but chances are that's not going to happen. 41-45 wins is probably what's going to happen.

 

[cool007]

I really agree with everything P03 said. Beasley is a big time talent who has been handled horribly by Heat Coach. Heat would have been even better and a 4th see dif Beasley was playing PF full time right from the start.

Beasley's mental problems are more with him doing weed and stuff and posting controversial pix that he was forced to do rehab by Riley - but he will be okay IMO.

He really needs good playing time to develop and he would be a really robin to Wade. But Heat's coach is super stupid and helding him back just because Haslem is a better defender.

Regarding Bulls team winning 53 games in the best case scenario, I agree and I think Bulls can win 55 games if Rose becomes that superstar but I think we shouldn't expect that much this year. He will make a big leap but we still have lot of questions and we still don't have a good big man who can give us about 18-20 a game in a nightly basis NOR a good pick and roll player, and we might not be that good 3pt shooting team either.

45 wins (optimistic) but can be done if ROse does make that big leap.

 

[Bullsman24]

well i can see where the heat coach is coming from. spoelstra needs to win games because otherwise he'll get fired, so he did a GREAT job at maximizing the talent on his roster. i think he would be pretty good for the bulls right now! but he's not good at developing players, which the heat need right now