Earlier Curfew For Chicago Kids Under 12?

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I was apparently hit hard with criticisms for being anti-kid when I was agreeing with this new possible suggestion by the Mayor himself... I also, however find that it isn't enough.





Chicago children younger than 12 would have to be inside by 8:30 p.m. Sunday through Thursday under the proposed curfew. On Friday and Saturday, they would have to be in by 9 p.m.



Unfortunately, its only for kids under 12. It should have been for anyone under 17.



I see it more as a help for parents who are at work at night or for parents who can't control their own kids. It's sad that the city has to step in when it comes to this, but someone has to if the parents aren't.



Still, though, I would prefer having my kid home or with me at a Hawks game by 8:30pm (or in a convent if I have a girl)... I don't care how old they are. That may be the reason why I don't have any in the first place.
 

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I see nothing wrong with this.... unless they are out with proper supervision, or a tek-9
 

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Curfews never work when imposed by a municipality.



I always like to ask the question...who and how do you police these sort of bi-laws, how do you enforce them, how do you realistically penalize those breaking the curfew and what other sort of bi-laws are being ignored while dealing with these types and are there more important places to be spending ones energy? What sort of clog is this going to cause the bi-law courts? What social class is this bi-law actually aimed at? I can assure you that those enforcing the bi-law are not going to be ticketing the parents of the clean cut white boys and girls who are walking around at 8:30 pm after watching Toy Story 15 at the theater. But they might try to do so for the scrubbier looking dark skinned kids doing the same thing. Yah I said it...it happens..it always happens.



Not sure these curfew ideas seem to spawn all sorts of other problems and wasted energy. It will never work but have fun wasting the time on it.



I also think 8:30-9pm are a tad bit unrealistic in these days and times. May have worked when we were all that age but it's all different now..us older farts have to recognize that. We can't sit here and blah blah blah about back in our days. Don't work.
 

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**** that I used to play outside with my friends until 10 in the summer time. screw that noise.
 

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Curfews never work when imposed by a municipality.



I always like to ask the question...who and how do you police these sort of bi-laws, how do you enforce them, how do you realistically penalize those breaking the curfew and what other sort of bi-laws are being ignored while dealing with these types and are there more important places to be spending ones energy? What sort of clog is this going to cause the bi-law courts? What social class is this bi-law actually aimed at? I can assure you that those enforcing the bi-law are not going to be ticketing the parents of the clean cut white boys and girls who are walking around at 8:30 pm after watching Toy Story 15 at the theater. But they might try to do so for the scrubbier looking dark skinned kids doing the same thing. Yah I said it...it happens..it always happens.



Not sure these curfew ideas seem to spawn all sorts of other problems and wasted energy. It will never work but have fun wasting the time on it.



I also think 8:30-9pm are a tad bit unrealistic in these days and times. May have worked when we were all that age but it's all different now..us older farts have to recognize that. We can't sit here and blah blah blah about back in our days. Don't work.



For a 16+ yo? yeah its unreasonable. Under 12? When I was under 12 if I was out after dark I can assure you I was up to no good.
 

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For a 16+ yo? yeah its unreasonable. Under 12? When I was under 12 if I was out after dark I can assure you I was up to no good.



And there lies another problem with these stupid curfew bi-laws. A kid under 12 looking to cause a little trouble at night is still going to cause a little trouble at night curfew or not. Infact for a lot of little shits (I was one myself) the idea of breaking a rule or a law made it that more fun...did it not?



Whole idea of curfews NEVER EVER WORK!!!!
 

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And there lies another problem with these stupid curfew bi-laws. A kid under 12 looking to cause a little trouble at night is still going to cause a little trouble at night curfew or not. Infact for a lot of little shits (I was one myself) the idea of breaking a rule or a law made it that more fun...did it not?



Whole idea of curfews NEVER EVER WORK!!!!



I agree they dont work. Im just saying. In my Town, there was an 11pm curfew for under 18, I was always out till 1-2 am on the weekends in highschool and would drive home, I never once got caught.
 

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I agree they dont work. Im just saying. In my Town, there was an 11pm curfew for under 18, I was always out till 1-2 am on the weekends in highschool and would drive home, I never once got caught.



They tried to impose a similar curfew on my age group in my home town also. It actually caused a riot and the bi-law was thrown out the day after. All hell broke loose in that town of 2000 or so. I am not shitting you it was a full on riot and NOTHING like you probably envision in your mind from a small town. They had to call police in from near municipalities and had to put young shits in jail cells as far as 100 miles away because they were running out of room in closer cells. Guess who wins when there are 2 officers in a small town and roughly around 400 young teens all bored and full of angst and just waiting to test authority?



That was a very strange night.
 

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the idea of breaking a rule or a law made it that more fun...did it not?





Hell yeah!



I feel the same way about illegal drugs. Legalize 'em. It'll make 'em less "sexy", they can also be regulated and taxed, and they'll be cheaper so you don't have to worry about your apartment being broken into so junkies can afford 'em and the profit motive will be removed so people will stop shooting eah other in the head to protect their turf.



Sorry to hijack the thread.
 

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They tried to impose a similar curfew on my age group in my home town also. It actually caused a riot and the bi-law was thrown out the day after. All hell broke loose in that town of 2000 or so. I am not shitting you it was a full on riot and NOTHING like you probably envision in your mind from a small town. They had to call police in from near municipalities and had to put young shits in jail cells as far as 100 miles away because they were running out of room in closer cells. Guess who wins when there are 2 officers in a small town and roughly around 400 young teens all bored and full of angst and just waiting to test authority?



That was a very strange night.



Man you Canadians riot like a mothefucker over the important shit. Cup losses, unconstitutional laws.
 

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A riot in Vancouver? I don't believe it!
 

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Man you Canadians riot like a mothefucker over the important shit. Cup losses, unconstitutional laws.



If Canadian women were not so timid riots would never take place!! Yah I blame the skirts (or the lack of lifting said skirts)!!!





I agree with the legalization of certain illegal drugs. I will always be on the side that says legalize marijuana but I still think it needs more thought. The only issue that I see with legalizing drugs such as marijuana (and I will use it as the easy example) is this..who is going to control the pricing and taxing? If left to the government then there is no doubt the cost of a single gram of weed is probably going to skyrocket. Seeing that most people are capable of growing their own I am not sure if pot is the money making resource that some think it would be if legalized. Obviously not everyone is going to have the time and the space to grow their own and those lazy ones would much prefer heading to the corner store to grab a baggy. That store bought baggy will probably end up costing double what a bag from your local dealer costs now (due to taxes, control, competition etc). So what's to stop the selling of the non government regulated weed which would probably be of much lower cost and probably even better quality? Within the realm of legalized marijuana sales there will still be a large amount of illegal selling and all that comes with it (maybe to a lesser extent?..and less is good).



I think what a lot of anti-marijuana folks miss is this. That massive amount of money that's made off of dealing marijuana (and it's a shit load of money)...it actually goes back into the economy in other sectors probably including the one that anti-marijuana bob works in. It's actually really dumb seizing the pounds and pounds of pot to get it off the street. That money lost from selling of that marijuana...where does it go? Little Suzy just lost her summer job because of that drug bust. HONESTLY....where do people think the money being made off marijuana sales are going...for the most part a very large chunk of it is staying within the economy (all money is blood money or has traces of blood on it.. just no one wants to admit it). Sometimes crimes are actually profitable for everyone. And we all know how much money a year governments throw away fighting that war that can't be won. And the counter argument that Marijuana costs tax payers a thwack load of money on healthcare costs? So full of B.S. That's the ever so easy tax dollars at waste fear machine excuse at work. I can be that machine also...taxes wasted on incriminating and trying to get marijuana off the streets far outnumber the tax dollars being spent on the health costs of marijuana use. We all can see how successful getting pot of the streets has been.



Soooo much money is being wasted and being taken out of the economy by flushing and burning pot plants and fighting the war on that drug. If not legalized a drug like marijuana should at the very least be destigmatize and seen for what it actually is. It's medicinal, it's recreational and it has a whole shit load of positive economical capabilities and there are a crap load of well respected, successful, functioning, intelligent, healthy, important figures in society who like to take a little toke here and there if not a whole lot. We still live with the propoganda from the mid century on pot smoking and pot smokers. And I won't lie... many users do feed that stereotype. But that's an easy scape goat for the anti-marijuana crowd.
 

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Is there anybody in Vancouver who doesn't smoke pot? Your city makes Amsterdam look inocuous, by compariosn.
 

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Why? Cuz she's out and you can't nail her?



Hehe... I just learn from TCD... so yea.



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Is there anybody in Vancouver who doesn't smoke pot? Your city makes Amsterdam look inocuous, by compariosn.



And the restaurant business in Vancouver is phenomenal!!!! If I were a potato chip manufacturer I would have my home base in this city.



P.S. I don't nail peoples daughters. They come to me.





That was a lie.
 

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You have to really work hard at curfew being enforced in Chicago. In my district its pretty high crime on the east side, then just a bunch of teenage kids getting drunk and doing stupid things on the west side. I got driven home for curfew once if I remember, but other than that if your not doing anything wrong only the super ****** cop will take you home. I've never heard of anyone actually getting a ticket for it. Having your parents answer the door with a cop car in view usually does the job in my neighborhood. Sadly, in a lot of neighborhoods that probably doesn't get the job done.



Under 12 is just asinine, there are much bigger problems to address. As a twelve year old I thought my one friends house 6 blocks away was VERY far. Curfew in itself is stupid for the most part and if some 10 year old gets picked up for being out at 10:00 then go fine the parents 150 bucks....then they'll pay attention to their kids.
 

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I don't really see this as a reason to get boots on the ground for enforcement, more that it will be a probable cause too for law enforcement to use and another charge to pile up on repeat offenders. I don't see this as much as needing to crackdown as it is going to be used as a reason to talk to and investigate situations and kids. Or if a kid is out hanging with older kids past curfew and they get caught doing something they can violate the kid as well. I think it's going to be used as a tool of the greater system not necessarily they will vigilantly working to enforce curfew.
 

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You have to really work hard at curfew being enforced in Chicago. In my district its pretty high crime on the east side, then just a bunch of teenage kids getting drunk and doing stupid things on the west side. I got driven home for curfew once if I remember, but other than that if your not doing anything wrong only the super ****** cop will take you home. I've never heard of anyone actually getting a ticket for it. Having your parents answer the door with a cop car in view usually does the job in my neighborhood. Sadly, in a lot of neighborhoods that probably doesn't get the job done.



Under 12 is just asinine, there are much bigger problems to address. As a twelve year old I thought my one friends house 6 blocks away was VERY far. Curfew in itself is stupid for the most part and if some 10 year old gets picked up for being out at 10:00 then go fine the parents 150 bucks....then they'll pay attention to their kids.



There ya go.
 

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