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When Congress and President Clinton embraced welfare reform in 1996, the goal was to move away from what was called a "culture of dependency." That effort succeeded. But today, there is a different specter: a broader culture of dependency that could eventually undermine our economic and political system.



Reports The Wall Street Journal, "Nearly half of all Americans live in a household in which someone receives government benefits, more than at any time in history" (our emphasis). In 2008, that group encompassed 44.4 percent of the U.S. population, and the weak economy has undoubtedly increased the number as people are thrown onto unemployment benefits, early retirement and food stamps.



This is a major change. A generation ago, less than a third of Americans lived in households getting government benefits. The expansion helps to explain why it has gotten harder than ever to restrain federal spending on entitlements: too many oxen would be gored.



As if that trend were not worrisome enough, it coincides with another one: The number of households that pay taxes to finance all that assistance is declining. The Tax Policy Center says that in 2005, 39 percent of households paid no federal income tax. Today, it's 45 percent. Most of those do contribute to Social Security and Medicare, but not all: 13 percent of households pay neither income nor payroll levies.



Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. once said taxes are "the price we pay for a civilized society." But in recent years, they've become the price that a lot of us don't pay for a civilized society.



At the rate we're going, that group may soon constitute a majority of the population. But then, so may the group composed of people getting federal benefits. So a minority of Americans may be taxed to provide support for the majority.



One problem is that as more people get benefits and fewer pay for them, the democratic pressures to contain federal spending weaken. The Journal notes that payments to individuals of one kind or another now account for 64 percent of all outlays, up from 47 percent in 1990. And people who don't pay income taxes may be more inclined to raise them on people who do.



Robert Reischauer, head of the liberal Urban Institute, says he is not worried: "If there became an expectation that government was going to provide over half the population's well-being to a significant degree without requiring anything of the recipients, there would be reason for concern. I don't think that's where we're headed."



Actually, that is exactly where we are headed. It's up to Congress and the president to change direction before it is too late.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-benefits-20100921,0,6172020.story



The part I bolded is pretty disturbing.
 

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It would be interesting to know the breakdown of those numbers. When they say recieves, does he mean continually recieves aid? That number could include anyone who got a tax break as a first time home owner, or possibly a student getting a government grant, etc. If it's a one time government benefit that number might be misleading.

Although, I do agree that there's a problem with the culture of entitlement in this country. This was supposedly written by an ER doc. He called the problem with health care a "culture crisis" not a "health care crisis"

Dear Mr. President:

During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ringtone.





While glancing over her patient chart, I happened to notice that her payer status was listed as "Medicaid"! During my examination of her, the patient informed me that she smokes more than one pack of cigarettes every day, eats only at fast-food take-outs, and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer. And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman's health care? I contend that our nation's "health care crisis" is not the result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a "crisis of culture" a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one's self or, heaven forbid, purchase health insurance. It is a culture based in the irresponsible credo that "I can do whatever I want to because someone else will always take care of me". Once you fix this "culture crisis" that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you'll be amazed at how quickly our nation's health care difficulties will disappear.



Respectfully,

ROGER STARNER JONES, MD

Again, this person is stereotyping everyone that recieves aid, but on the surface it does seem to be true I think it's much more complicated than that. I do think that we have created a culture where we all have to have the newest, latest technology. We buy things we can't afford and shouldn't buy. Many of us are guilty of this. It's not just the medicaid/welfare patients. It's likely a majority of the population of this country.
 

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Where's the breakdown of benefits provided?

Edit: Looks like phranck and I are asking the same question.
 

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[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]Where's the breakdown of benefits provided?

Edit: Looks like phranck and I are asking the same question.[/quote]



That would be very interesting to see. Especially since they mention unemployment benefits in there.



I doubt any type of tax break would count, that's not really them giving you money, just taking less of yours.
 

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[quote name="Tater"]



That would be very interesting to see. Especially since they mention unemployment benefits in there.



I doubt any type of tax break would count, that's not really them giving you money, just taking less of yours.[/quote]

Probably true. Unemployment would have to be included in that number. Which would be a huge reason for the increase.
 

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Probably true. Unemployment would have to be included in that number. Which would be a huge reason for the increase.[/quote]



I looks like it's included but I don't think it should be.

The money they pay is what they previously took out of each pay check.

Technically yours already IMHO.
 

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I'd be interested to see what's included under government benifits as well, but can't disagree much with the intent of the article. I see examples similar to what the ER Doc describes almost daily. The one that always gets me is the 20 something welfare mother with 5 kids but 5 different baby daddies.
 

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I looks like it's included but I don't think it should be.

The money they pay is what they previously took out of each pay check.

Technically yours already IMHO.[/quote]

EXACTLY RIGHT! Then, at the end of the years the ******* tax you on it AGAIN! **** them. This is EXACTLY where this administration and version of congress want us headed.



Yes, I'm a raving lunatic conspiracy theorerist. :roll: All this group of putzes has done to improve the economic front is blame Bush and the Republicans. Sure, they had a hand in creating this mess but who is working on FIXING it?





























Hope..............you were financially set BEFORE the

Change............What the populous was sold on and what I have left in my pocket.
 

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[quote name="winos5"]I'd be interested to see what's included under government benifits as well, but can't disagree much with the intent of the article. I see examples similar to what the ER Doc describes almost daily. The one that always gets me is the 20 something welfare mother with 5 kids but 5 different baby daddies.[/quote]

To be fare, for every one welfare mother you see like that there's probably 20 that aren't like that. In fact there's a pretty good amount of statistic that shows that family sizes of welfare families are the same as those not on welfare. Generally meaning around 2 kids on average.

Of course there are abuses to the system, and these abuses get the most publicity, but in general most people do not abuse the system.
 

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[quote name="phranchk"]

To be fare, for every one welfare mother you see like that there's probably 20 that aren't like that. In fact there's a pretty good amount of statistic that shows that family sizes of welfare families are the same as those not on welfare. Generally meaning around 2 kids on average.

Of course there are abuses to the system, and these abuses get the most publicity, but in general most people do not abuse the system.[/quote]



Maybe it's just because I live/practice my profession in the south, in a rural county, without any significant industrial base. The biggest local employers are the county government services (hospital, school district, county government ect...). I'd guess 75% of the county recieves government benifits in one form or another (Medicaid, Medicare, Unemployment comp, VA benifits ect...). Off the top of my head I can think of several families with 3 generations under one roof, all recieving some type of government cheese. Although to put things in perspective the county population of cattle is probably 2-3 times that of people.
 

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One day reform will come, eventually the tap runs out. What happens, revolt?



In an unrelated story, here in BC, a 16 year old girl got gang raped at a rave.



The perps have posted the raping on facebook and the like and the police just cannot eliminate it.



WTF are we coming to? Truely, how long can we last? Civilization has peaked and seems to be in swift decline. Good thing we won a cup.
 

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The problem is we cant just let people remain on government aid forvever.



Its like when you are a kid, if your parents kept giving you second chances odds are you would continue down the path.



i.e. When i was in college, my parents gave me a credit card as an authorized user "for emergencies only".



Yeah that lasted until the one time I put a pizza on it, and it was gone, they didnt say stop doing that and let me keep it I, like them, knew i would probably end up drunk and use it for pizza or who knows what else again.



The money we pay to people who check on welfare recipients to "ensure" they are doing all they can to get off welfare, obviously arent doing their job and thats more money down the drain.



Lets be honest here, unless you are doing something you absolutely love I mean its something you would gladly do in your free time, nobody likes working.



Anybody who has gotten a taste of essentially being out on your own but not having to pay for it, knows its not something you want to readily leave.



(I essentially had that in college, between grants, tuition assistance and GI bill from the Army, I didnt have to do a goddamn thing save for a weekend a month and two weeks in the summer, of course the potential for the government to cash in and send me to sunny Iraq or afghanistan for 18 months, existed, but never happened).



I got grants from the government totalling 5k a semester (yes the school got paid first then they sent me a refund check in the amount of all of it because the guard paid my tuition), the guard paid my tuition, and I got a thousand a month between my GI Bill and drill pay.



I had roomates all my time in college my rent was only like 200 a month, maybe spent a hundred on bills total, my ride was paid for (not that I had to drive much anyway).



So at the beginning of each semester, I got a fresh 5 g's in the bank courtesy of you taxpayers, a steady 1k a month income and just had to go to a couple classes every day, and dick around at the armory 1 weekend a month (and yes, we pretty much never did anything at drill except form up in the morning, then stand around and bullshit till 5pm go home repeat sunday and im free). And hell no i didnt want to leave that, thats why i stayed in college for 7 fucking years, I could have graduated in 2005, I didnt until they told me they wont give me anymore money :). Then I had to work, that was bullshit. So to all you potential college students, joint he national guard and you will actually MAKE money going to school, not drive yourself into debt.
 

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Here's the WSJ article



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 41708.html



An aging population is adding to the ranks of Americans receiving government benefits, and will continue to do so as more of the large baby-boom generation, those born between 1946 and 1964, become eligible. Today, an estimated 47.4 million people are enrolled in Medicare, up 38% from 1990. By 2030, the number is projected to be 80.4 million.
 

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[quote name="Larmer83"]Here's the WSJ article



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 41708.html



An aging population is adding to the ranks of Americans receiving government benefits, and will continue to do so as more of the large baby-boom generation, those born between 1946 and 1964, become eligible. Today, an estimated 47.4 million people are enrolled in Medicare, up 38% from 1990. By 2030, the number is projected to be 80.4 million.[/quote]

Thanks for this article.

People are living longer after "retirement" age.

I filmed a lecture at the university I work for that dealt with this. 20 years ago, it was called a pyramid-- the people that lived longer were fewer and far between, but advances in healthcare have turned the pyramid model into a sieve.
 

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[quote name="howcho"]One day reform will come, eventually the tap runs out. What happens, revolt?



In an unrelated story, here in BC, a 16 year old girl got gang raped at a rave.



The perps have posted the raping on facebook and the like and the police just cannot eliminate it.



WTF are we coming to? Truely, how long can we last? Civilization has peaked and seems to be in swift decline. Good thing we won a cup.[/quote]

In an unrelated story, I finally pooped yesterday.

Painkillers have got me all bound up. I had the nuggety weighty turds that offer all kinds of splash-back.
 

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[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]

In an unrelated story, I finally pooped yesterday.

Painkillers have got me all bound up. I had the nuggety weighty turds that offer all kinds of splash-back.[/quote]



Pic?
 

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Maybe it's just because I live/practice my profession in the south, in a rural county, without any significant industrial base. The biggest local employers are the county government services (hospital, school district, county government ect...). I'd guess 75% of the county recieves government benifits in one form or another (Medicaid, Medicare, Unemployment comp, VA benifits ect...). Off the top of my head I can think of several families with 3 generations under one roof, all recieving some type of government cheese. Although to put things in perspective the county population of cattle is probably 2-3 times that of people.[/quote]



Which is one of the problems, these 3rd generation kids need an education and proper rearing, but their folks aren't going to give it to 'em (hell, they probably think everything is fine, they're just like their parents after all). So unless one of these kids is born with a 150 IQ or an iron will they're probably set up for failure. On the other hand, that ER MD, probably didn't come from that three generation background, though there's always the anomalies.



I know if I didn't come from well educated parents who tried to raise me proper, and helped me get second, third and fourth chances to succeed, I'd be fucked or six feet under with all the partying and insane shit I did in the past.
 

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Which is one of the problems, these 3rd generation kids need an education and proper rearing, but their folks aren't going to give it to 'em (hell, they probably think everything is fine, they're just like their parents after all). So unless one of these kids is born with a 150 IQ or an iron will they're probably set up for failure. On the other hand, that ER MD, probably didn't come from that three generation background, though there's always the anomalies.



I know if I didn't come from well educated parents who tried to raise me proper, and helped me get second, third and fourth chances to succeed, I'd be fucked or six feet under with all the partying and insane shit I did in the past.[/quote]



You seem so down to earth. Would never have pegged you for a wild child.
 

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[quote name="howcho"]One day reform will come, eventually the tap runs out. What happens, revolt?



In an unrelated story, here in BC, a 16 year old girl got gang raped at a rave.



The perps have posted the raping on facebook and the like and the police just cannot eliminate it.



WTF are we coming to? Truely, how long can we last? Civilization has peaked and seems to be in swift decline. Good thing we won a cup.[/quote]



**** yeah! I don't give two shits about ANYTHING more. Like Jim Morrison said, "I wanna have my fun before the whole shithouse (eh Paul?) goes up in flames."
 

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You seem so down to earth. Would never have pegged you for a wild child.[/quote]



I'm actually a 400 lb transvestite with a hankering for dressing up and LARPin' in fursuits with strategically placed holes. ;)



This is just my internet persona. :)
 

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