ESPN/Jesse Rogers' Take On The FA Signings

[HawkyTalky]

Hawks get grittier as free agency opens - Chicago Blackhawks Blog - ESPN Chicago

Jesse Rogers has a good comparison to the players we just signed and the ones who played the same roles on the 2010 Cup team.

Brunette=Ladd

Carcillo=Burish

Mayers=Eager

Montador=Sopel

While not exact matches player-for-player, these comparisons are still valid.

What do you think?

 

[DewsSox79]

Hawks get grittier as free agency opens - Chicago Blackhawks Blog - ESPN Chicago

Jesse Rogers has a good comparison to the players we just signed and the ones who played the same roles on the 2010 Cup team.

Brunette=Ladd

Carcillo=Burish

Mayers=Eager

Montador=Sopel

While not exact matches player-for-player, these comparisons are still valid.

What do you think?

Brunette does no equal Ladd...such a bad comparison.

Carcillo is more annoying than burish, so i will take carcillo.

Eager>Mayers

I still like Sopel.

 

[tbo41fan]

I would take Mayers over Eager


Montador idk because I havent seen him play much

 

[Captain Iago]

Oh, Jesse...

Brunette is not = Ladd

Carcillo is > Burish

Eager and Mayers does not compute if Mayers is here to play C. Then, the correlation would point to Madden.

I like the idea of Montador as long as he isn't relied on to be the puck mover. He blocks shots and pks. And, he has a sandpaper element that Sopel does not have. So Montador > Sopel.

 

[HawkyTalky]

I know the new guys aren't exact clones player-for-player but, I understand where Scotty 'Bo was trying to go with this.

He was trying to find *similar* players to the ones mentioned above in a cost-effective manner.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Hawks get grittier as free agency opens - Chicago Blackhawks Blog - ESPN Chicago

Jesse Rogers has a good comparison to the players we just signed and the ones who played the same roles on the 2010 Cup team.

Brunette=Ladd

Carcillo=Burish

Mayers=Eager

Montador=Sopel

While not exact matches player-for-player, these comparisons are still valid.

What do you think?

I think about what I usually think of Rogers- that it is amazing that he gets paid for such crack analysis.

Seriously, does this guy actually even follow hockey?

I replied to the comparison in another thread... completey off his nut.

Plus I don't actually think that Mayers compares to Madden, in that Madden actually was a 3rd line centre for a good deal of 2009-10, and I doubt Mayers could handle that. A good guy to have if you need to win a critical draw... but Madden was a much more all around player (presumably still is).

Montador is a hell of a lot better than Sopel... no offense to Brent but he was basically a washed up mobile defenseman that had made some adjustments to his game... not particularly mobile, not particularly effective -basically you #6 guy .. 2 years ago... He's also probably significantly better than Campoli who is pretty much one dimensional, and even at that he has had consistency issues over the course of his career. Mind you, I'd still take him ... as I think he can overcome those still. Monte.. has more offensive upside than Hjalmarsson, and Leddy is too young to actually compare.

That being said -it is more of a statement about the relative depth of the defenseman position on the team than anything else.

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I don't think he was doing that at all, but rather instead deciding not to go with the American Idol approach to hockey by playing every 20 something kid that came along until they got voted off of the rink.

I think the 4th line today is much improved over last seasons, and arguably 2009-10. Aside from Eager, that was a bunch of guys that were fairly young and thrown out there, mostly generic guys that basically were interchangable with each other. Eager, excepted only in that he had bounced around the league a little more than the other guys... and mind you, I never have thought too highly of 55 as I never worked out his actual purpose on the team. I suppose it was because he played for (relatively) cheap.... he sure fit in well with the generic guys on the 4th line- which is more like he wasn't particularly effective at anything -frankly none of them were. They were there (like most teams' 4th lines) -to give the other 3 lines a breather -and hopefully not screw anything up.

I mean "much improved" in the sense that basically you can dress a line that resembles the Hanson Brothers now, in terms of overall purpose. Which is not something that you could even identify in years past.

 

[Captain Iago]

I think about what I usually think of Rogers- that it is amazing that he gets paid for such crack analysis.

Seriously, does this guy actually even follow hockey?

I replied to the comparison in another thread... completey off his nut.

Plus I don't actually think that Mayers compares to Madden, in that Madden actually was a 3rd line centre for a good deal of 2009-10, and I doubt Mayers could handle that. A good guy to have if you need to win a critical draw... but Madden was a much more all around player (presumably still is).

Montador is a hell of a lot better than Sopel... no offense to Brent but he was basically a washed up mobile defenseman that had made some adjustments to his game... not particularly mobile, not particularly effective -basically you #6 guy .. 2 years ago... He's also probably significantly better than Campoli who is pretty much one dimensional, and even at that he has had consistency issues over the course of his career. Mind you, I'd still take him ... as I think he can overcome those still. Monte.. has more offensive upside than Hjalmarsson, and Leddy is too young to actually compare.

That being said -it is more of a statement about the relative depth of the defenseman position on the team than anything else.

Only thing I disagree with is Madden as a #3. He was brought in to be a #3, but by season's end he was a #4. His game had really declined.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Carcillo is the agitator the Hawks had in Adam Burish

except Burish isn't a tard like Carcillo.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Rogers is a tool

 

[southern_cross_116]

Only thing I disagree with is Madden as a #3. He was brought in to be a #3, but by season's end he was a #4. His game had really declined.

I agree with you on that -- it was mostly that with Bolland out for half the year, that is where he ended up (for better or worse).

I didn't mean that it was ideal.

 

[southern_cross_116]

except Burish isn't a tard like Carcillo.

Actually he is ... anyone that would shoot his mouth off like he did in the finals against Philly, then get scratched... sorry but that = same thing.

Burish managed to get Dallas to pay him over a mil - at least Carcillo is less, and has actually had spurts of actual hockey perfomance in his career; although of course that gets balanced with if you look at anyone that logs more than 300 PiM in a season they probably have some mental stability problems... or one really really unfortunate game.

 

[tbo41fan]

If we get the Carcillo from the Phoenix years, then its a great signing..

If we get Philly Carcillo, eh...

 

[southern_cross_116]

The 2009-10 Philly Carcillo would be ok ... still when you got a guy like that on your team - yes, I think discipline is going to be a concern.

I would just point out that the Carcillo from the Coyotes' years would have been paid more than the under $800k he got (and that it is still less than other less pyschotic, mouthy, and undisciplined 4th liners have gotten).

4th Liners come and go... it was the nature of things before the cap, and with the cap it hasn't changed things all that much.

 

[icehogfan08]

Brunette does no equal Ladd...such a bad comparison.

Carcillo is more annoying than burish, so i will take carcillo.

Eager>Mayers

I still like Sopel.

Montador > Sopel

 

[Captain Iago]

I agree with you on that -- it was mostly that with Bolland out for half the year, that is where he ended up (for better or worse).

I didn't mean that it was ideal.

Ahh..I follow now. I remember being frustrated with Madden's level of play.

 

[Captain Iago]

Rogers is a tool

Was it Jesse who was spreading the Campbell asked to waive to Columbus rumor?

 

[tbo41fan]

Was it Jesse who was spreading the Campbell asked to waive to Columbus rumor?

no...that was a random Jackets guy on Twitter

 

[Diehardfan]

Rogers is a tool

Really.

He goes from Mike North's go-fer to some sort of hockey expert?

Puuulease......

I was amazed that his name was even on a thread here.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Really.

He goes from Mike North's go-fer to some sort of hockey expert?

Puuulease......

I was amazed that his name was even on a thread here.

Nah he's in these threads every so often ... and then it usually ends up where there is some variation of the same sort of thing where he is being some sort of bandwagonier type of clown... actually Dan Roan has made an appearance once about a year ago ( he of the --iirc ... "there are only 20,000 Hawk fans in Chicago" fame .... also iirc it was him gushing about the Hawks after winning it all.

Seems like Chicago breeds that sort of thing, but I'm sure the town isn't alone in that -- it is just that having grown up in that environment and taking bs like Roans (and now later bozos like Rogers...)- that I think some guys (myself included), have a fairly low tolerance for that type of know nothing- don't bother me with actual information on the sport type of antics.

Wow that felt better.... I guess I owe Lucy a nickle now .

 

[tbo41fan]

Nah he's in these threads every so often ... and then it usually ends up where there is some variation of the same sort of thing where he is being some sort of bandwagonier type of clown... actually Dan Roan has made an appearance once about a year ago ( he of the --iirc ... "there are only 20,000 Hawk fans in Chicago" fame .... also iirc it was him gushing about the Hawks after winning it all.

Seems like Chicago breeds that sort of thing, but I'm sure the town isn't alone in that -- it is just that having grown up in that environment and taking bs like Roans (and now later bozos like Rogers...)- that I think some guys (myself included), have a fairly low tolerance for that type of know nothing- don't bother me with actual information on the sport type of antics.

Wow that felt better.... I guess I owe Lucy a nickle now .

:lmao: