F#@k Luol Deng!

[mlewinth]

I can't imagine anyone feels very differently right now, but Luol Deng may be on my lifetime shitlist. Deng hasnt played a healthy season since 06-07. In his career, which spans 6 seasons, he has not missed significant time ONLY TWICE! 05-06 (4games), 06-07 (0 games). Infact, if Deng plays 1 more game, THIS is his 3rd healthiest season of his career. Deng has a curse after about 60 games, see below:

Games Played:
04-05 - 61
05-06 - 78
06-07 - 82
07-08 - 63
08-09 - 49
Games missed this year: 9

I just hope that his signing doesnt eternally screw us. I don't think he is close to tradeable for at least 3 years. Maybe you gotta take Deng off the bench next season, we cannot afford to bank on him every year as our starting 3 just for him to get injured again.

I think if we had a healthy Deng the Bulls would be in the playoffs this year. Him being out is a large part of why we are where we are now. Nothing is more frustrating than a cronically injured player with a big contract.

Dear Luol Deng, go f$#! yourself! :angry:

 

[Fred]

Only the Wizards would trade for Luol Deng in the offseason, and we would have to take Arenas.

 

[Fred]

Hey, that might be a legit question..would you trade Deng for Arenas?

 

[RC_Skinny22]

No Arenas wouldn´t fit good to the Bulls. He is a PG and we already have (a better) one.

Next thing is that we would only have two positions ready for next season. Point guard with Rose and Center with Noah. Gibson at PF is ok but there are many PF better than him, who are available.

Deng´s injury really hurts the team. Loosing our second best scorer is hard.

Something big has to happen in the off season. If not, we´re in big trouble.

 

[TheStig]

Fred wrote:

Hey, that might be a legit question..would you trade Deng for Arenas?

Deng for Arenas would take away our ability to offer a max deal. However, I would do Arenas for Deng and Kirk in a heart beat. I'd start Arenas at SG, sign Raja Bell to come off the bench, sign Bosh and hope JJ can improve his defense. I'll take a chance on Arenas because when he is on, he is a all star and he can make big shots.

I also think you could trade Deng somewhere else. I think Portland would take him. You could do Deng for Pryzbilla and Webster. That would be some nice depth and free up a lot of long term salary.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I'd probably do Deng for Arenas after signing a max FA. Start Arenas at SG, maybe ship Hinrich somewhere for a serviceable SF. I think that would be a pretty good team if Arenas would actually play well...if he's even allowed to play.

 

[Kush77]

I used to really like Arenas. That one year he averaged about 28 ppg and hit some pretty big time game winners, he was clutch.

But it's been almost 4 years since then. Those days are getting further and further away. I probably wouldn't trade for Arenas unless the Bulls have a 2000 style whiff in free agency.

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

I used to really like Arenas. That one year he averaged about 28 ppg and hit some pretty big time game winners, he was clutch.

But it's been almost 4 years since then. Those days are getting further and further away. I probably wouldn't trade for Arenas unless the Bulls have a 2000 style whiff in free agency.

You make it seem like he is done. He put up 22/7/4 this year prior to the suspension. If you get him, he gives you a nice second option and some outside shooting. Add in a bosh/amare type and you have one of the top offenses in the league. All you need is a perimeter defender and to come off the bench and a defensive sf that can hit the 3.

 

[Kush77]

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

I used to really like Arenas. That one year he averaged about 28 ppg and hit some pretty big time game winners, he was clutch.

But it's been almost 4 years since then. Those days are getting further and further away. I probably wouldn't trade for Arenas unless the Bulls have a 2000 style whiff in free agency.

You make it seem like he is done. He put up 22/7/4 this year prior to the suspension. If you get him, he gives you a nice second option and some outside shooting. Add in a bosh/amare type and you have one of the top offenses in the league. All you need is a perimeter defender and to come off the bench and a defensive sf that can hit the 3.

I know he's not done, but he's not the player he was 4 years ago. I'd still take him, but I'd only want him if the Bulls couldn't get anyone else this summer.

there's also the injury factor with him too. And his contract is just as bad as Deng's. I looked at hoopshype for his salary and he has a player option for two more years, at this point it's safe to say he'll pick that up. Arenas will be making 22 million his last year. Deng's contract expires the same year and his last season is 14 million (according to hoopshype).

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

I used to really like Arenas. That one year he averaged about 28 ppg and hit some pretty big time game winners, he was clutch.

But it's been almost 4 years since then. Those days are getting further and further away. I probably wouldn't trade for Arenas unless the Bulls have a 2000 style whiff in free agency.

You make it seem like he is done. He put up 22/7/4 this year prior to the suspension. If you get him, he gives you a nice second option and some outside shooting. Add in a bosh/amare type and you have one of the top offenses in the league. All you need is a perimeter defender and to come off the bench and a defensive sf that can hit the 3.

I know he's not done, but he's not the player he was 4 years ago. I'd still take him, but I'd only want him if the Bulls couldn't get anyone else this summer.

there's also the injury factor with him too. And his contract is just as bad as Deng's. I looked at hoopshype for his salary and he has a player option for two more years, at this point it's safe to say he'll pick that up. Arenas will be making 22 million his last year. Deng's contract expires the same year and his last season is 14 million (according to hoopshype).

I don't think he has really lost much. His shooting percentage was down because he hadn't gotten his touch back from all the games but he looked as explosive as ever. He may very well hit 28ppg next year with that depleted wiz team.

Stars make money. Arenas is a star and gives us a good second option and some outside shooting. Two things deng doesn't do well. Add in a bosh/amare and you have a top 5 offense. I'd be willing to roll the dice on that.

 

[Kush77]

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

I used to really like Arenas. That one year he averaged about 28 ppg and hit some pretty big time game winners, he was clutch.

But it's been almost 4 years since then. Those days are getting further and further away. I probably wouldn't trade for Arenas unless the Bulls have a 2000 style whiff in free agency.

You make it seem like he is done. He put up 22/7/4 this year prior to the suspension. If you get him, he gives you a nice second option and some outside shooting. Add in a bosh/amare type and you have one of the top offenses in the league. All you need is a perimeter defender and to come off the bench and a defensive sf that can hit the 3.

I know he's not done, but he's not the player he was 4 years ago. I'd still take him, but I'd only want him if the Bulls couldn't get anyone else this summer.

there's also the injury factor with him too. And his contract is just as bad as Deng's. I looked at hoopshype for his salary and he has a player option for two more years, at this point it's safe to say he'll pick that up. Arenas will be making 22 million his last year. Deng's contract expires the same year and his last season is 14 million (according to hoopshype).

I don't think he has really lost much. His shooting percentage was down because he hadn't gotten his touch back from all the games but he looked as explosive as ever. He may very well hit 28ppg next year with that depleted wiz team.

Stars make money. Arenas is a star and gives us a good second option and some outside shooting. Two things deng doesn't do well. Add in a bosh/amare and you have a top 5 offense. I'd be willing to roll the dice on that.

Hmmmm. you have me interested.

Rose, Amare/Bosh and Arenas. That would fun.

But what about Pargo?

 

[Dpauley23]

Kush77 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

I used to really like Arenas. That one year he averaged about 28 ppg and hit some pretty big time game winners, he was clutch.

But it's been almost 4 years since then. Those days are getting further and further away. I probably wouldn't trade for Arenas unless the Bulls have a 2000 style whiff in free agency.

You make it seem like he is done. He put up 22/7/4 this year prior to the suspension. If you get him, he gives you a nice second option and some outside shooting. Add in a bosh/amare type and you have one of the top offenses in the league. All you need is a perimeter defender and to come off the bench and a defensive sf that can hit the 3.

I know he's not done, but he's not the player he was 4 years ago. I'd still take him, but I'd only want him if the Bulls couldn't get anyone else this summer.

there's also the injury factor with him too. And his contract is just as bad as Deng's. I looked at hoopshype for his salary and he has a player option for two more years, at this point it's safe to say he'll pick that up. Arenas will be making 22 million his last year. Deng's contract expires the same year and his last season is 14 million (according to hoopshype).

I don't think he has really lost much. His shooting percentage was down because he hadn't gotten his touch back from all the games but he looked as explosive as ever. He may very well hit 28ppg next year with that depleted wiz team.

Stars make money. Arenas is a star and gives us a good second option and some outside shooting. Two things deng doesn't do well. Add in a bosh/amare and you have a top 5 offense. I'd be willing to roll the dice on that.

Hmmmm. you have me interested.

Rose, Amare/Bosh and Arenas. That would fun.

But what about Pargo?

Pretty sure Pargo would be the sixth man of the year on that team

 

[TheStig]

Kush77 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

TheStig wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

I used to really like Arenas. That one year he averaged about 28 ppg and hit some pretty big time game winners, he was clutch.

But it's been almost 4 years since then. Those days are getting further and further away. I probably wouldn't trade for Arenas unless the Bulls have a 2000 style whiff in free agency.

You make it seem like he is done. He put up 22/7/4 this year prior to the suspension. If you get him, he gives you a nice second option and some outside shooting. Add in a bosh/amare type and you have one of the top offenses in the league. All you need is a perimeter defender and to come off the bench and a defensive sf that can hit the 3.

I know he's not done, but he's not the player he was 4 years ago. I'd still take him, but I'd only want him if the Bulls couldn't get anyone else this summer.

there's also the injury factor with him too. And his contract is just as bad as Deng's. I looked at hoopshype for his salary and he has a player option for two more years, at this point it's safe to say he'll pick that up. Arenas will be making 22 million his last year. Deng's contract expires the same year and his last season is 14 million (according to hoopshype).

I don't think he has really lost much. His shooting percentage was down because he hadn't gotten his touch back from all the games but he looked as explosive as ever. He may very well hit 28ppg next year with that depleted wiz team.

Stars make money. Arenas is a star and gives us a good second option and some outside shooting. Two things deng doesn't do well. Add in a bosh/amare and you have a top 5 offense. I'd be willing to roll the dice on that.

Hmmmm. you have me interested.

Rose, Amare/Bosh and Arenas. That would fun.

But what about Pargo?

Right, he can start like he did tonight. 150ppg for sure lol. Seriously though, if you get some defenders and shooters at the backup 2 and 3. That is a dangerous team.

 

[Shakes]

I don't agree that Arenas is the only guy we could trade Deng for. That implies his contract is the second worst in the league, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.

The Arenas trade idea is one of those where you're thankful as a fan and can say "yeah the Bulls should do that" knowing it's not your own job on the line if things go pear shaped.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

I don't agree that Arenas is the only guy we could trade Deng for. That implies his contract is the second worst in the league, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.

The Arenas trade idea is one of those where you're thankful as a fan and can say "yeah the Bulls should do that" knowing it's not your own job on the line if things go pear shaped.

Well thats why I said we could probably get Webster and Pryzbilla for him. The Blazers will resign Camby and Deng will take Webster's spot in the rotation. With webster we get some outside shooting and a little defense.

 

[Kush77]

Shakes wrote:

I don't agree that Arenas is the only guy we could trade Deng for. That implies his contract is the second worst in the league, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.

The Arenas trade idea is one of those where you're thankful as a fan and can say "yeah the Bulls should do that" knowing it's not your own job on the line if things go pear shaped.

I agree that Den's contract isn't the second worst in the league. But the fact he gets hurt every year doesn't help.

As for Arenas, I would consider him if the Bulls whiffed this offseason. Which is possible.
I don't want the alternative of just waiting and being a .500 team. Something needs to happen.

But the Wizards have said Arenas isn't going anywhere so it doesn't really matter.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

I don't agree that Arenas is the only guy we could trade Deng for. That implies his contract is the second worst in the league, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.

The Arenas trade idea is one of those where you're thankful as a fan and can say "yeah the Bulls should do that" knowing it's not your own job on the line if things go pear shaped.

I don't think Arenas has the worst deal in the league, He makes a bit more than Brand but at least he produces on the court.

 

[Shakes]

Kush77 wrote:

I agree that Den's contract isn't the second worst in the league. But the fact he gets hurt every year doesn't help.

If you're feeling bad about Deng being paid 10 million for 60 games of quality basketball this year, spare a thought for the Pistons who paid 16 million for three whole points tonight.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

Kush77 wrote:

I agree that Den's contract isn't the second worst in the league. But the fact he gets hurt every year doesn't help.

If you're feeling bad about Deng being paid 10 million for 60 games of quality basketball this year, spare a thought for the Pistons who paid 16 million for three whole points tonight.

They didn't look so bad last when they put up 37ppg.

It wouldn't be so bad if he missed the first 20 or middle 20 but he misses the final 20 and playoffs. 2 whole post seasons and the end of another year. If you want to be a contender you can't have a top 2-4 guy who misses the post seaspn.

 

[Shakes]

Hey don't bring logic into this, I'm taking pleasure in Detroit's misery, something any Bulls fan should be allowed to do after getting the season sweep against them. :laugh:

As far as Deng's injuries go, I don't really know what to make of it because what we're being fed doesn't make sense. He supposedly strained a calf of the 9th of March. The playoffs start on the 17th of April. Yet we're being told he's out for the year. 6 weeks for a soft tissue injury sounds like BS to me. My big worry is that the stress fractures are back but the Bulls aren't letting on because that would sink his trade value even further.