Formulating the MIP : Derrick Rose

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I'm not sure if any of you caught this on BR(The OTHER BR), but it's an interesting read and well put together. While I don't agree with the results of the formula, I did like breezing through it.

So Who’s the MIP? (Episode II)

Before I go, let me make it perfectly clear that I am not suggesting that the NBA actually use a formula to determine the MIP. I can think of quite a few reasons why a player who is, say, fifth using this method should be voted the MIP. However, I do think this is a good way to whittle down the list of candidates, and to separate players who have obviously improved from players whose improvement is questionable.
 

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To me, its Aldridge in Portland...his game changed with his mentality. He took over and became the franchise player. He was good enough to be an allstar.
 

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To me, its Aldridge in Portland...his game changed with his mentality. He took over and became the franchise player. He was good enough to be an allstar.

omg! man, can u imagine D Rose and Aldridge together, i hated! that trade the Bulls made on draft day for Tyrus Thomas, :obama:
 

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omg! man, can u imagine D Rose and Aldridge together, i hated! that trade the Bulls made on draft day for Tyrus Thomas, :obama:

Not only that but WHY he is not in Chicago....supposedly at dinner during the interview, Skiles stared down Aldridge, Aldridge seemed intimidated and looked away. Skiles didn't want him after that...something about him not being tough enough. I don't know how true that is...but if it is true, that is a shame. Aldridge would have been great with Rose...
 

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Not only that but WHY he is not in Chicago....supposedly at dinner during the interview, Skiles stared down Aldridge, Aldridge seemed intimidated and looked away. Skiles didn't want him after that...something about him not being tough enough. I don't know how true that is...but if it is true, that is a shame. Aldridge would have been great with Rose...

if true young guy probly did it outta respect,....oh well!
MIP, I cant overlook the way Kevin Love played, for a bad team
 

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Not only that but WHY he is not in Chicago....supposedly at dinner during the interview, Skiles stared down Aldridge, Aldridge seemed intimidated and looked away. Skiles didn't want him after that...something about him not being tough enough. I don't know how true that is...but if it is true, that is a shame. Aldridge would have been great with Rose...

True, but if the Bulls keep Aldridge, who knows how the lottery would have turned out for the Bulls.
They probably would have made the playoffs with Aldridge the year before they drafted Rose.
 

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What if, what if...
 

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certainly i think DRose is deserving of the MIP, .....think he one with the V is a more suitable recognition
 

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omg! man, can u imagine D Rose and Aldridge together, i hated! that trade the Bulls made on draft day for Tyrus Thomas, :obama:

Yeah, although now it seems unlikely that the Bulls would have even been in the position to win the lottery in order to draft Rose if they had not have made that draft day trade. So let's count our blessings.
 

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Not only that but WHY he is not in Chicago....supposedly at dinner during the interview, Skiles stared down Aldridge, Aldridge seemed intimidated and looked away. Skiles didn't want him after that...something about him not being tough enough. I don't know how true that is...but if it is true, that is a shame. Aldridge would have been great with Rose...

Scott Skiles is an excellent out-of-timeout quick play caller. And he has really been an excellent defensive coach. But I've always said that he is meant to be the world's greatest high school coach. He has a way of getting under your skin as a disciplinarian. Every team he has coached (Suns, Bulls, and now the Bucks) have quit on him.
 

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I've heard the Skiles story but I think that's just a cool story the Bulls let out after they'd decided to draft Tyrus to make people feel good about the decision. You don't pay all that money to scouts to then go and make a drafting decision based on whether the coach can win a staring contest with a guy.
 

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I've heard the Skiles story but I think that's just a cool story the Bulls let out after they'd decided to draft Tyrus to make people feel good about the decision. You don't pay all that money to scouts to then go and make a drafting decision based on whether the coach can win a staring contest with a guy.

QFT

But whatever happened, happened. Unfortunately you can look down every single draft in the history of ... well I was going to say the NBA, then pro sports, but really, anything that would utilize a draft... and from that point you can easily redraft and get what you want on paper. In some drafts you'll pick a player who fits the team and the scheme in place for the building or rebuilding. That has proven to be equally as effective as drafting the talent first. Tyrus should have become a better player in the league than he has, but for whatever mental reason, he hasn't. I'm not going to debate whether or not I liked the pick, but I don't think anyone saw him being this big of a disappointment on draft day.

The ironic part about LaMarcus, is that he had a lot of lucky breaks to help him get to where he is today. He played for a team that saw injury after injury, including his own. At points of time, when he wasn't ready to carry the team, he had no choice but to take that role. That kind of development pays off bigtime, that same type of development would not have happened for him in Chicago, although that doesn't mean I'm saying he wouldn't find other ways to get better. Tyrus stayed pretty healthy and could have had that very same role and blossomed, or more importantly, had his ego put into check(which is why I think he never really panned out to his high pick status.)
It's all about that risk-reward. Dwelling about it now wont do us a bit of good. If anything, and like so many mentioned, we landed Rose by some miracle.

I would like to put Luol Deng into the debate for MIP. I don't think he SHOULD get it, because I have a few people who bounce around in my head that are ahead of him. Luol has done things for this team, that nobody expected of him going into the season, and may have only been expected of him after the day he signed that big contract. He could have easily milked his contract and played down in his past injury fears, but he hasn't. He's playing harder than any single player in the league, that has come back from such injuries. Deng certainly has a case for MIP, and if he didn't get any votes, or if he didn't finish in the top 5 for voting, I would be disappointed.
 
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True, but if the Bulls keep Aldridge, who knows how the lottery would have turned out for the Bulls.
They probably would have made the playoffs with Aldridge the year before they drafted Rose.

i dont think we would have derrick if we didnt give up LA
 

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I forgot that Sacramento originated that term for their bench, which had some real good players on it. I can't call the Bulls the Bench Mob anymore...they need to come up with their own name...lol
 

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Spoke to my friend in China tonight and even he is saying Derrick Rose is the MVP.

He's got this thing locked ladies and gentlemen.
 

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