Genius. Russian man alters credit card contract.

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A russian man altered his credit card contract to put everything in his favor, and the credit card company signed it.  They are now crying foul. </p>


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This is solid gold.  **** the credit company for trying to sue him for fraud, they were the dumbasses that didn't read what they were signing.</p>
 

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shoe's on the other foot now, assbags.</p>
 

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If you don't like the "bullshit" that credit card companies throw out there... don't use a fucking credit card.</p>


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They are taking a risk having anyone as a customer.</p>


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Their policies/interest are used to protect themselves.</p>


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If you have the cash, use a debit card.  If you use a credit card and can't pay on time... don't want to hear about "bullshit interest charges"...</p>


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This guy is a douche nozzle.</p>
 

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Wow I got to say that the credit card company agreed to his terms and therefore it is a legal binding contract.</p>
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="WickedWrister" data-cid="207607" data-time="1376017183">
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If you don't like the "bullshit" that credit card companies throw out there... don't use a fucking credit card.</p>


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They are taking a risk having anyone as a customer.</p>


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Their policies/interest are used to protect themselves.</p>


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If you have the cash, use a debit card.  If you use a credit card and can't pay on time... don't want to hear about "bullshit interest charges"...</p>


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This guy is a douche nozzle.</p>
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Wow, new name, same fucktardedness. Did you even RTFA?</p>
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Supra" data-cid="207610" data-time="1376048219">
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Wow I got to say that the credit card company agreed to his terms and therefore it is a legal binding contract.</p>
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Some of the comments were saying, he could have committed fraud by altering the contract which (in the US at least is illegal) but, thats a shady line in my opinion.  i.e. what if you wrote your own contract that matched theirs word for word save for the tidbits you changed, technically then, you didnt alter their contract you wrote your own.  </p>


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One judge already ruled in his favor, I hope the next one does too.   I am totally with you in that the bank should have read what was being signed.</p>
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="The Super Douchiev" data-cid="207622" data-time="1376076188">
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Some of the comments were saying, he could have committed fraud by altering the contract which (in the US at least is illegal) but, thats a shady line in my opinion.  i.e. what if you wrote your own contract that matched theirs word for word save for the tidbits you changed, technically then, you didnt alter their contract you wrote your own.  </p>


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One judge already ruled in his favor, I hope the next one does too.   I am totally with you in that the bank should have read what was being signed.</p>
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Altering the contract would be (in my non expert opinion) altering a signed contract with agreed upon conditions by both parties. This was not an altered contract, It was recreated. The interesting stipulation here for me was what the contract looked like. If it was a standard contract and bared no markings by the credit card company then he's good to go, but if it was on their letterhead or used their information inproperly, then indeed you are looking at a different case scenario. He would be misrepresenting the credit card company as the creator of the contract that was created. Meaning, he has no authority to underwrite a contract on behalf of the credit card company, and by misrepresenting that company, even to the company itself then it's fraud. Look at it another way, if he did the same thing, but instead of sending it back to the company he sent it out to thousands of people. And even one of them sent it back to him signed, would you hold that person liable?</p>
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MassHavoc" data-cid="207623" data-time="1376076973">
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Altering the contract would be (in my non expert opinion) altering a signed contract with agreed upon conditions by both parties. This was not an altered contract, It was recreated. The interesting stipulation here for me was what the contract looked like. If it was a standard contract and bared no markings by the credit card company then he's good to go, but if it was on their letterhead or used their information inproperly, then indeed you are looking at a different case scenario. He would be misrepresenting the credit card company as the creator of the contract that was created. Meaning, he has no authority to underwrite a contract on behalf of the credit card company, and by misrepresenting that company, even to the company itself then it's fraud. Look at it another way, if he did the same thing, but instead of sending it back to the company he sent it out to thousands of people. And even one of them sent it back to him signed, would you hold that person liable?</p>
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Agreed, how you think business gets done, through contract negotiation. Modifying a signed contract is certainly fraud that's why in the old timey movies, 3 copies were made, one for each party and then a neutral party or safe or what not so if both sides changed it afterwards there was an unaltered original that said they both were full of shit. </p>
 

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Here's a question no one can answer: Is the contract in question(and any other credit card applications or whathaveyou) copyrighted? I could see companies doing that as a way to stop this kind of thing from happening.
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jakobeast" data-cid="207642" data-time="1376225886">
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Here's a question no one can answer: Is the contract in question(and any other credit card applications or whathaveyou) copyrighted? I could see companies doing that as a way to stop this kind of thing from happening.</p>
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I cannot say for sure but I highly doubt it.</p>
 

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