Glennon & Trubisky - Salary Cap Stuff

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There has been a lot made of what we're paying Glennon, especially with the addition of Trubisky, so I'd like to clear up some things up in order to hopefully squash the money arguments being made. Keep in mind, the Bears are still in good cap position, and likely will clear up another $15 mil + by releasing players such as Royal, Houston, etc.

First, let's look at Glennon's contract. I've highlighted everything that is guaranteed in red. I've also highlighted each years salary cap hit (the total cap hit against the cap in that year) in green:

Mike Glennon's Contract
AgeBase SalarySigningRosterCap HitDead CapYearly Cash
201727$8,000,000$1,000,000$5,000,000$14,000,000$18,500,000$16,000,000($16,000,000)
201828$12,500,000$1,000,000$2,500,000$16,000,000$4,500,000$15,000,000($31,000,000)
201929$12,000,000$1,000,000$2,000,000$15,000,000$1,000,000$14,000,000($45,000,000)
202030UFA
Contract Notes:
  • $18.5M fully guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2017 salary + 2017 roster bonus + 2018 roster bonus)
  • 2017 Roster Bonus: $5M (guaranteed)
  • 2018 Roster Bonus: $2.5M (guaranteed, paid on the 3rd league day of 2018)
  • 2019 Roster Bonus: $2M (5/15/2019)

Much has been made of the guaranteed amount of $18.5 mil. However, his cap hit, or total against the 2017 cap is only $14 mi. That puts Glennon tied for #20 for the highest cap hit for a starting QB in the NFL. That means that 19 other teams are paying their starting QB more money than the Bears are for 2017. To put this in perspective, I've posted the top 10 cap hits for QB's in the NFL below for 2017. If you'd like to view the entire list, please review here (courtesy of spotrac.com):

2017 Quarterback Cap Hit Rankings
1 Tony Romo$24,700,000
2 Joe Flacco$24,550,000
3 Carson Palmer$24,125,000
4 Kirk Cousins$23,943,600
5 Matt Ryan$23,750,000
6 Matthew Stafford$22,000,000
7 Aaron Rodgers$20,300,000
Ryan Tannehill$20,300,000
9 Cam Newton$20,166,666
10 Philip Rivers$20,000,000

Now, before the nancies chime in and point out that all these QB's are better than Glennon (maybe why they're getting paid more :thinking:), let's remember we are talking only about money allocated to the most important position for a NFL team. If you review the full 2017 QB Cap Hit Rankings, you might also notice that there are some young QB's at the bottom of the list that you might say are better than Glennon as well. That's because they are on rookie contracts.

Let's look at one rookie contract, in particular, as he was drafted at #2 last year (albeit, by a team that traded much more than the Bears to move up and get him)..... Carson Wentz. Wentz also came from a small program and had similar stats as Trubisky. This should give us a close idea of what we can expect for a contract for Trubisky, as they were both drafted at #2 in a 'slotted' draft salary:

Carson Wentz's Conract
AgeBase SalarySigningCap HitDead CapYearly Cash
201623$450,000$4,400,243$4,850,243$26,226,338$18,050,973($18,050,973)
201724$1,662,561$4,400,243$6,062,804$21,826,095$1,662,561($19,713,534)
201825$2,875,122$4,400,243$7,275,365$15,763,291$2,875,122($22,588,656)
201926$4,087,682$4,400,244$8,487,926$8,487,926$4,087,682($26,676,338)
202027-----($26,676,338)
202128UFA
Contract Notes:
  • 5th year option available
  • $26.2M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2017-19 salaries)
  • Contains offsets

That works out to $26.2 Mil guaranteed. However, I believe the Bears will structure their contract with Trubisky much better, imo (another thread). The bottom line is that with both Glennon's and Trubisky's contracts, the Bears will being paying both for about the same amount as a top ten QB in the NFL for 2017, and less than Stafford alone.

The main point I'm trying to make is that Pace has NOT broken the bank account to address the present as well as the future for the QB position moving forward. Especially, since the Bears still have quite a bit of cap money to spend now and in the future.

The best scenario would be for Glennon to play well enough in 2017 that we could trade him for a draft pick. However, his cap hit for 2018 would be $16 Mil, yet we could cut him and save another $11.5 Mil of that amount for next year.

With a dead cap amount of $4.5 Mil + Trubisky's salary for 2018, the Bears would be allocating approximately $10-$12 Mil or so for the QB postion for the next year, and approximately $6-$9 Mil for the next 4 years. I'd say that puts the Bears in good position for the QB position moving forward for the next 4-5 years. Especially, since the average starting QB salary right now is about $18 Mil, and will probably increase in that time.

In conclusion, it's time we start talking about other positions, imo, as Pace has taken the #3 pick (hopefully we don't pick that high again), and turned it into a reasonable contract scenario, and solid QB depth for the next half decade.
 

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Jolly good thread here chap. Clearly put some work into presenting facts vs. rhetoric. :clap::bow:

It deserves more views & traffic, but I think people are either:

1) Tired of discussing the topic (cue the dead horse memes & gifs)

2) Ignorant to the facts & don't like being wrong

3) Believe sensationalistic blowhard media & not what you just posted despite links

4) "Grass is always greener mentality" - want Pace & Fox fired, because change is always better right?

5) Would rather continue to bitch like dislike. Nancies

F) All of the above.
 

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Jolly good thread here chap. Clearly put some work into presenting facts vs. rhetoric. :clap::bow:

It deserves more views & traffic, but I think people are either:

1) Tired of discussing the topic (cue the dead horse memes & gifs)

2) Ignorant to the facts & don't like being wrong

3) Believe sensationalistic blowhard media & not what you just posted despite links

4) "Grass is always greener mentality" - want Pace & Fox fired, because change is always better right?

5) Would rather continue to bitch like dislike. Nancies

F) All of the above.

People have already excepted the fact that it's just a 1 year deal.
 

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I have no problem with the deal. I don't think Glennon will not be worth the 14M that he gets this season, but I don't think the cap hit hurts us. I understand Pace wanted to insure he got his guy and over spent maybe by 3M per season. 3mil is not going to effect us one bit, especially if we cut him after this season. I think Glennon was both a gamble(he might actually be average) and insurance(there was a chance that we would miss out on Trubisky). I think he will be a bottom 5 QB. Is he really going to be an upgrade over Brian Hoyer?

I think most people were pissed that we didn't sign any of the bigger named FA and we spent more then expected on Glennon. I mean I do think his contract should be a little higher then Hoyer's but it is almost 3x higher. I hope I am not sounded like I think Hoyer is a good QB. I think both Hoyer and Glennon are both good backup QBs.

Which scenario would you rather have?
AJ Bouye's 5.5 Cap + DJ Swearinger's 3.3 Cap + Hoyers' 5.3 Cap = 14.1
or
Stephon Gilmore's 8.6 + Hoyers 5.3 = 13.9
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Mike Glennon's 14
 

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I think we are smart for taking 2 swings at the QB spot.

Glennon had no impact on our free agency period. The Bears still have 25 million plus in cap space.
 

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Bouye and Gilmore rejected us, so it really is a moot point.

We also would not have structured 14/year contracts with a 5 million cap hit year 1. That is not the way that Pace does business. That is how you mess up your salary cap.

Hoyer does nothing for you. He offers no upside and he is not good enough to keep Trubisky on the sideline developing.
 

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I have no problem with the deal. I don't think Glennon will not be worth the 14M that he gets this season, but I don't think the cap hit hurts us. I understand Pace wanted to insure he got his guy and over spent maybe by 3M per season. 3mil is not going to effect us one bit, especially if we cut him after this season. I think Glennon was both a gamble(he might actually be average) and insurance(there was a chance that we would miss out on Trubisky). I think he will be a bottom 5 QB. Is he really going to be an upgrade over Brian Hoyer?

I think most people were pissed that we didn't sign any of the bigger named FA and we spent more then expected on Glennon. I mean I do think his contract should be a little higher then Hoyer's but it is almost 3x higher. I hope I am not sounded like I think Hoyer is a good QB. I think both Hoyer and Glennon are both good backup QBs.

Which scenario would you rather have?
AJ Bouye's 5.5 Cap + DJ Swearinger's 3.3 Cap + Hoyers' 5.3 Cap = 14.1
or
Stephon Gilmore's 8.6 + Hoyers 5.3 = 13.9
or
Mike Glennon's 14

I hear what you're saying, but you have to look at the big picture as well. Both Bouye and Gilmore got huge contracts. Bouye's cap hit jumps up to $15.5 Mil for the next 4 years. Gilmore's next 4 years will be $12.6 Mil, $13.6 Mil, $14.6 Mil, and $15.6 Mil. Gilmore, specifically has huge Dead cap numbers that make it virtually impossible to cut him if he got hurt or didn't play well.

Check it out:

Stephon Gilmore

AgeBase SalarySigningRosterCap HitDead CapYearly Cash
201726$4,500,000$3,600,000$468,750$8,568,750$22,500,000$22,968,750($22,968,750)
201827$8,500,000$3,600,000$500,000$12,600,000$22,900,000$9,000,000($31,968,750)
201928$9,500,000$3,600,000$500,000$13,600,000$10,800,000$10,000,000($41,968,750)
202029$10,500,000$3,600,000$500,000$14,600,000$7,200,000$11,000,000($52,968,750)
202130$11,500,000$3,600,000$500,000$15,600,000$3,600,000$12,000,000($64,968,750)


A.J. Bouye

AgeBase SalarySigningRosterCap HitDead CapYearly Cash
201725$3,000,000$2,000,000$500,000$5,500,000$26,000,000$13,500,000($13,500,000)
201826$13,000,000$2,000,000$500,000$15,500,000$21,000,000$13,500,000($27,000,000)
201927$13,000,000$2,000,000$500,000$15,500,000$6,000,000$13,500,000($40,500,000)
202028$13,000,000$2,000,000$500,000$15,500,000$4,000,000$13,500,000($54,000,000)
202129$13,000,000$2,000,000$500,000$15,500,000$2,000,000$13,500,000($67,500,000)

Meanwhile, the Bears can cut Glennon next year for a measly dead cap hit of $4.5 Mil and Trubisky's cap hit should be around $6 Mil.

Mike Glennon

AgeBase SalarySigningRosterCap HitDead CapYearly Cash
201727$8,000,000$1,000,000$5,000,000$14,000,000$18,500,000$16,000,000($16,000,000)
201828$12,500,000$1,000,000$2,500,000$16,000,000$4,500,000$15,000,000($31,000,000)
201929$12,000,000$1,000,000$2,000,000$15,000,000$1,000,000$14,000,000($45,000,000)
 

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I think we are smart for taking 2 swings at the QB spot.

Glennon had no impact on our free agency period. The Bears still have 25 million plus in cap space.

They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. A basket also in which was by far no certainty.
 

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I think we are smart for taking 2 swings at the QB spot.

Glennon had no impact on our free agency period. The Bears still have 25 million plus in cap space.

Really? They couldn't have used that $18M on a couple of good starting players in free agency?
 

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Hoyer does nothing for you. He offers no upside and he is not good enough to keep Trubisky on the sideline developing.

You think Glennon is? I mean, seriously do you? Lets say Mike Glennon is the 26th best QB in the NFL then I would say Brian Hoyer is the 25th or 27th best.

Hoyer 31 years old
2014 Started for the first time with the Browns. As a starter 7-6 (winning Record)
season high lights: 3 games had RAT of 127.1, 113, 111.5. 6of13 games had 92+RAT.
surrounding talent - RB Terrrance West - WR Tayolor Gabriel, Miles Austin TE Travis Benjamin

2016 Started 4 Games went 1-3
season high lights: 3 games had RAT of 93.7, 120.1, 120, 78.8, all 4 game over 300+ yards
surrounding talent - RB Howard - WR Jeffery, Merrideth - TE Miller

Glennon 27 Years old
2013 started 13 games went 4-9
season high lights: 3 games had RAT of 123.1, 137.5, 138.4. 4of13 games had a 90.7+RAT.
surrounding talent - RB Doug Martin/Bobby Rainey - WR Vincent Jackson, Tiquan Underwood - TE Tim Wright

2014 Started 5 games. As a starter 1-4
season high lights: had RAT of 79.7, 91.8, 83.0, 81.1, 72.8
surrounding talent - RB Bobby Rainey - WR Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson - TE Austin Stephan Jenkins

I think the surrounding talent is about equal comparing Hoyer's 2014 to Glennon's 2013 and Hoyer's 2016 to Glennon's 2014
They both showed to be inconsistent starters the can flash. They are both backup QBs bottom 5 QBs end of story.

If you fell Brian Hoyer is not good enough then what makes you think Glennon is any better? His best year he averaged 200 yards per game and 6.3 avg, 19TD and 9 INTs in 13 games is pretty bad.
 

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