Hard Caps = Devalued Stanley Cup

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As I watched last year’s Stanley Cup champion Chicago Blackhawks back into this year’s playoffs on the final night of the season as the eighth seed, I’m again reminded how I feel about hard salary caps in sports...

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As I watched last year’s Stanley Cup champion Chicago Blackhawks back into this year’s playoffs on the final night of the season as the eighth seed, I’m again reminded how I feel about hard salary caps in sports...

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I agree with many of your points, but some of your data is conflicting. There wasn't a hard cap in the NHL until the bargaining agreement in 05-06. So getting data from prior to that season is kinda irrelevant (unless you go back to The Great Depression).

Ultimately, the NHL has too many teams, imho...which waters down the product aside from the hard cap.

Edit: And don't you go devaluing the fist SC we won in 49 years. Can't think of a worse way to make friends around here. :p (i keed, i keed)
 
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I agree with many of your points, but some of your data is conflicting. There wasn't a hard cap in the NHL until the bargaining agreement in 05-06. So getting data from prior to that season is kinda irrelevant (unless you go back to The Great Depression).

Good point - I was just trying to compare the last decade in each sport. But only going back to 2005-06 in the NHL, we've had five different Cup winners in the last five years so it just validates my overall premise...
 

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Good point - I was just trying to compare the last decade in each sport. But only going back to 2005-06 in the NHL, we've had five different Cup winners in the last five years so it just validates my overall premise...

I agree that it doesn't hurt the validity of your premise, but it does hurt your credibility.
 

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It is a bummer that Detroit has done the impossible, then. Aside from their ridiculously injury-plagued season of a year ago, they are a dynasty.
 

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It is a bummer that Detroit has done the impossible, then. Aside from their ridiculously injury-plagued season of a year ago, they are a dynasty.

Detroit has done a marvelous, top notch job of drafting and allowing guys to develop in the AHL.

Now enough with complimenting the Red swings. **** them. :D
 

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Detroit has done a marvelous, top notch job of drafting and allowing guys to develop in the AHL.

Now enough with complimenting the Red swings. **** them. :D

But the whole point of the thread is about how dynastys are not possible in this era of NHL salary cap. Despite that, Detroit has done it.

Maybe just some sour grapes that the Hawks' management have screwed up over the past 7+ years, resulting in last year being "All in." *shrug*
 

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The NHL cap needs work. The creative accounting/ridiculous contract lengths especially need to go.

That said, the Hawks eeking into the playoffs and the presumed league-wide parity has a lot more to do with the point system than it does the salary cap. That is what really needs to change.

The 2010 Hawks won 8 more games than this year's squad. 8 games is substantial, but it's not that bad of a drop off all things considered. Losing 2 homers to Edmonton and dropping 3 to Colorado in the first 2.5 months of the year shouldn't overlooked. Chalk them up to whatever you want (hangover, new players acclimating, etc), but those are 5 games that are uncharacteristic losses for this team. Colorado and Edmonton are baaaaad teams.

My point is: despite a legitimately traumatic roster shake up in the off season (loss of depth, scoring, character/chemistry, etc), this years Hawks team isn't horrible even after getting hit harder by the cap than any team has (and likely ever will). You want a worst case scenario of a salary cap breaking up a great team- the 2011 Hawks are the shining example of that for years to come.

And yet, the 2011 Hawks still made the playoffs and are still a threat.
 

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My point is: despite a legitimately traumatic roster shake up in the off season (loss of depth, scoring, character/chemistry, etc), this years Hawks team isn't horrible even after getting hit harder by the cap than any team has (and likely ever will). You want a worst case scenario of a salary cap breaking up a great team- the 2011 Hawks are the shining example of that for years to come.

And yet, the 2011 Hawks still made the playoffs and are still a threat.

I hope you are right about being a threat, but I don't think it is right to make excuses for the choices on WHOM the GM kept. He made poor choices and obviously lost a lot of grinders and leaders. The heart on this year's Hawks team is lacking. I'm not blaming Toews, because he brings it every game and shows a ton of leadership, but the people around him aren't stepping up as leaders. They have waaaaaaaay more talent then 99% of 8th seeded teams. It is ridiculous that they aren't 4+.

Hopefully, that doesn't translate into the playoffs.
 

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I am a fan of the cap. as much as it sucked to see guys go; it makes you fully use the draft and make trades to build for the future. dynasties are nice to look back on, but the cap makes it so just about everyone has a shot. you keep your core guys, and build around them... its a joke looking at baseball and seeing the yankees able to just bring in all of the best players where you know they will pretty much make it far throughout the season.
 

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As much as I hated losing all those players last summer, the Hawks made that choice. When did they make that choice? When they signed Marian Hossa the previous summer to that huge contract. I remember hearing Red Wing fans babbling on and on about how the Hawks would lose 2 out of the big 3 that had to be resigned among - Toews, Kane and Keith. While they ultimately did keep those 3, it cost them a lot more than 3 role players to get back under the cap.

And hey, signing Hossa worked out. I doubt they would have won without him.
 

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I'm a big fan of the cap in all sports but I feel where your coming from and it's a nice article.

I just find it silly to blame the cap as a part of what broke the team up that you say could of possibly been a dynasty... I happen to believe if there never was a cap put in the NHL we would be talking about 50 years of no championship and still the worst franchise of all time with the Hawks right now. I think they wouldn't of had the equal opportunity to make the splash and rise signing and resigning the guys they did to create that team.
 

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But the whole point of the thread is about how dynastys are not possible in this era of NHL salary cap. Despite that, Detroit has done it.

I guess it's all in how you define "dynasty" and, when you look at NHL history (Canadiens in the 70s, Islanders and Oilers in the 80s etc), I don't consider Detroit to be a dynasty from an historical perspective as defined by multiple championships in a very short period of time...
 
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I'm a big fan of the cap in all sports but I feel where your coming from and it's a nice article.

I just find it silly to blame the cap as a part of what broke the team up that you say could of possibly been a dynasty... I happen to believe if there never was a cap put in the NHL we would be talking about 50 years of no championship and still the worst franchise of all time with the Hawks right now. I think they wouldn't of had the equal opportunity to make the splash and rise signing and resigning the guys they did to create that team.

You could be right; that's the fun thing about a debate like this is that there's really no black and white, right or wrong, answer...
 

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Indeed, things would at least somewhat be different.

There still is a strong building of some hated teams and stars without them having the major dominating success. The Capitals have some growing animosity without any significant victory yet. Might not be as equal to what it was in the past but things always adapt in sports.
 

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Personally, I like the salary cap and wish all sports had it. The MLB needs one desperately, IMO.

While it does make it hard on dynasties, I love the parity it brings. I also love that teams, as a few posters mentioned, have to try and build from within the organization rather than buying a title (Damn Yankees).

I think it makes for a more exciting league.
 

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we also have to remember how good the west is this year...better than last year for sure...

I mean the Hawks had 97 points and almost missed the playoffs!

Yea we lost some key guys from last year, but we are playing tougher competition, and only finished with 8 less losses.

5 of those being Edmonton and Colorado as mentioned above....BAD losses
 

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I don't approve of calling the Colorado losses all bad losses in any way. The Lanche were right in the race in the playoff push the first half of the year and doing well until the trade deadline time when they were failing and made the trades that put them into the abysmal losing streak.

I wondper how far the league will go with trying to handle the contract situation of shutting down the giant contract deals, I actually am fond of the NBA style of having a contract limit but doubt it'll happen for the NHL soon.
 

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I don't approve of calling the Colorado losses all bad losses in any way. The Lanche were right in the race in the playoff push the first half of the year and doing well until the trade deadline time when they were failing and made the trades that put them into the abysmal losing streak.

I wondper how far the league will go with trying to handle the contract situation of shutting down the giant contract deals, I actually am fond of the NBA style of having a contract limit but doubt it'll happen for the NHL soon.

December 13 - allowing the tying and game winning goals with less than 2 and a half minutes remaining in regulation is inexcusable. Records at the time be damned.

As for the long-term ridiculous deals which are all cap circumvention, they will figure this out as they already have begun to address these. Come the next bargaining agreement, I imagine how the cap is applied to teams will be much different than a simple mean.
 

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