Heyman on Silva, Wood, Wells, Cashner, and Garza

[Captain Obvious]

Wood:

Best Winter Bargain: Kerry Wood, Cubs, P
For $1.5 million, the Cubs brought home one of the majors' best set-up men. "He's throwing real well,'' one scout said. And being a teammate of the Yankees' Mariano Rivera for the final couple months of last season didn't hurt, either, as Wood picked up a cutter, which looks pretty good, if not Rivera-like. He also brings a bit of maturity to a clubhouse that could probably use it. And he may be around awhile. That oddly low salary indicates the probability of a personal services deal, so he'll likely stick around long after his pitching career is over, providing the possibility he could teach Rivera's cutter to future Cubbies.

Silva:

It's hard to understand the rumors about Barry Zito possibly being released. At the very least, he is an innings-eater and certainly not as bad as Ollie Perez or a Carlos Silva, two other veteran starters with big contracts who have struggled mightily.

Garza:

New Cubs pickup Matt Garza hasn't been throwing breaking balls yet, which probably explains why he's been hit around this spring.

Wells; Silva, Cashner:

Randy Wells has basically locked up a spot in the Cubs' rotation and prospect Andrew Cashner has looked the best of the other rotation hopefuls. Carlos Silva looks like he's earned a release with his early performance, but he does have a $12-million salary (coincidentally, the same as Ollie Perez)

Discuss.

 

[Jntg4]

Wood:
Silva:
Garza:
Wells; Silva, Cashner:
Discuss.

Agree on everything I read, in a rush, so I just read the Silva and Wells, Silva, Cashner part. I'll read it all when I get back.

Especially agree with the last quote.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I don't see how you can release a guy who you are paying 6 million dollars. We will be paying him to do nothing. That's a terrible business move.

 

[Jntg4]

I don't see how you can release a guy who you are paying 6 million dollars. We will be paying him to do nothing. That's a terrible business move.

Mets were considering releasing Castillo and Perez, but now Castillo is outperforming his competition so they may not.

There was talk of releasing Silva last year too.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Mets were considering releasing Castillo and Perez, but now Castillo is outperforming his competition so they may not.

There was talk of releasing Silva last year too.

Okay?

 

[Jntg4]

Okay?

The Cubs aren't a poor team who has no money. They are paying him either way, so maybe it is for the better to pay him to stay away.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The Cubs aren't a poor team who has no money. They are paying him either way, so maybe it is for the better to pay him to stay away.

In absolutely no way is it better to pay him to stay away and possibly pay him to provide value to another team. At the very least throw him in the pen.

 

[Jntg4]

In absolutely no way is it better to pay him to stay away and possibly pay him to provide value to another team. At the very least throw him in the pen.

If he has no spot, then release him. Not the like the Cubs are the Pirates who need every cent they can find.

 

[Captain Obvious]

If he has no spot, then release him. Not the like the Cubs are the Pirates who need every cent they can find.

So you want to just throw away money on nothing? Are you a moron? Like seriously? Plus, that is a terrible comparison, as the Pirates were the most profitable team last year.

You don't just release a guy who is making 6 million dollars. I don't think you get how stupid that is.

 

[Jntg4]

So you want to just throw away money on nothing? Are you a moron? Like seriously? Plus, that is a terrible comparison, as the Pirates were the most profitable team last year.

You don't just release a guy who is making 6 million dollars. I don't think you get how stupid that is.

Sure, don't release him because he makes money, no matter how bad he is. Tell that to the New York Mets.


Fine, Tampa Bay, not Pittsburgh.

 

[Jntg4]

And reports say the Cubs are considering it, so it can't be as stupid as you think CO.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Sure, don't release him because he makes money, no matter how bad he is. Tell that to the New York Mets.


Fine, Tampa Bay, not Pittsburgh.

Exactly! Don't release him. Put him in the pen at the very least. At least you can get some value for him there. He isn't even that fucking bad. How do you not get this? You are so oblivious to such basic stats.

And reports say the Cubs are considering it, so it can't be as stupid as you think CO.

The Cubs not only considered signing Soriano to an 8 year deal, but they did. Therefore that isn't stupid? Right

 

[X]

Exactly! Don't release him. Put him in the pen at the very least. At least you can get some value for him there. He isn't even that fucking bad. How do you not get this? You are so oblivious to such basic stats.

If he's going to be fighting w/ teammates, I don't want him on the team...same thing I felt about Barrett....same thing I still occasionally feel about Z...

The Cubs not only considered signing Soriano to an 8 year deal, but they did. Therefore that isn't stupid? Right

Signing him to an 8 year deal wasn't stupid...but the money we gave him ended up being that way...regardless, it's what it took to get him, and he's been good for us. Not worth his contract, but not worthless, either.

 

[Captain Obvious]

If he's going to be fighting w/ teammates, I don't want him on the team...same thing I felt about Barrett....same thing I still occasionally feel about Z...



Signing him to an 8 year deal wasn't stupid...but the money we gave him ended up being that way...regardless, it's what it took to get him, and he's been good for us. Not worth his contract, but not worthless, either.

I can understand the fighting thing, but it's too late to release him for that. They have gotten over that.

I agree that he has been good for us, but the point is just because the Cubs do it or think about doing it, doesn't mean it's right.

 

[USCChiFan]

I really can't see Silva getting released unless he does even worse than he's been pitching now. Plus if Cashner makes the team as the 5th starter and he struggles in April, who's gonna replace him if Silva gets released? Braden Looper?

 

[Captain Obvious]

I really can't see Silva getting released unless he does even worse than he's been pitching now. Plus if Cashner makes the team as the 5th starter and he struggles in April, who's gonna replace him if Silva gets released? Braden Looper?

Dear Lord, I hope not. My guess would be Jay Jackson or Casey Coleman.

 

[X]

I can understand the fighting thing, but it's too late to release him for that. They have gotten over that.

I agree that he has been good for us, but the point is just because the Cubs do it or think about doing it, doesn't mean it's right.

Oh I completely agree w/ your premise, just pointing out the counter argument.

I'm not a fan of Silva, but he's serviceable, however on a short leash imo. I already think he should be a long-reliever at best...I'm okay w/ keeping him unless we can find a trade partner...maybe throw him in a deal for Young?

 

[Jntg4]

If he's going to be fighting w/ teammates, I don't want him on the team...same thing I felt about Barrett....same thing I still occasionally feel about Z...



Signing him to an 8 year deal wasn't stupid...but the money we gave him ended up being that way...regardless, it's what it took to get him, and he's been good for us. Not worth his contract, but not worthless, either.

I get it, but you act as if it was my idea to release him... it wasn't.

Bad example BTW, the Tribune added the last two years.

 

[poodski]

I will say this if the Cubs release Silva they had better release Soriano the very next day.

 

[Jntg4]

I will say this if the Cubs release Silva they had better release Soriano the very next day.

No, Soriano is in great shape apparently and his power is hard to replace. Silva isn't as important as Soriano and isn't owed as much as him either.