horrible resue attempt

[tvltre]

Linda Norgrove killed in a botched rescue attempt.



http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/10/09/afghanistan.british.worker.death/index.html?hpt=T2



However, seems that a grenade by the rescuers is what killed her.

 

[winos5]

More on this.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/13/linda-norgrove-us-commando-disciplinary

 

[jakobeast]

It is horrible that this happened, no doubt and my thoughts are with her family.



However, this is one of those things that happens. She was gonna be killed by her captors and she was being passed up the chain PDQ. If they didn't attempt to save her, she would have been taken out anyway.



I hope no one blames her almost rescuers. They did the best they could.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="jakobeast"]It is horrible that this happened, no doubt and my thoughts are with her family.



However, this is one of those things that happens. She was gonna be killed by her captors and she was being passed up the chain PDQ. If they didn't attempt to save her, she would have been taken out anyway.



I hope no one blames her almost rescuers. They did the best they could.[/quote]

Unfortunately you and I both know in the eyes of the "World Court" the Warmongering, Oil Hungry, Evil American Military will end up as the bad guy again.

 

[bri]

[quote name="jakobeast"]It is horrible that this happened, no doubt and my thoughts are with her family.



However, this is one of those things that happens. She was gonna be killed by her captors and she was being passed up the chain PDQ. If they didn't attempt to save her, she would have been taken out anyway.



I hope no one blames her almost rescuers. They did the best they could.[/quote]





I agree. It is very tragic and unfortunate and I feel for her family, but all these civilians that go to these countries are aware of the risks they are taking and are putting themselves in these dangerous situations. When they are captured it creates an impossible situation to get them out safely.

 

[sth]

[quote name="bri"]





I agree. It is very tragic and unfortunate and I feel for her family, but all these civilians that go to these countries are aware of the risks they are taking and are putting themselves in these dangerous situations. When they are captured it creates an impossible situation to get them out safely.[/quote]

Exactly. There is an assumed risk when you travel to a hostile country. Now there will be an inquiry into exactly what happened. If there was any wrongdoing found then something might happen. But I don't think it was intentional or negligent.

 

[bri]

[quote name="sth"]

Exactly. There is an assumed risk when you travel to a hostile country. Now there will be an inquiry into exactly what happened. If there was any wrongdoing found then something might happen. But I don't think it was intentional or negligent.[/quote]





British forces should have been sent to get her out in the first place. The US should not have to be responsible for the whole world. And although it stated they were working with the British it implied the US military was attempting the rescue.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="bri"]





British forces should have been sent to get her out in the first place. The US should not have to be responsible for the whole world. And although it stated they were working with the British it implied the US military was attempting the rescue.[/quote]

You're right our military leaders should have said "Sorry old boys, she's one of yours. We're going to sit this one out." Yeah we have a team operating in the area, and you guys don't, and she will be gone either moved or killed by the time you get here....but she isn't our problem. Yup that makes sense.

Bri, the second story by a BRITISH newspaper, doesn't imply that Team Six did this, it flat out states they did. Now I am not saying they have facts wrong, or they are making things up, but for a guy who has worked with several different Teams in both training missions and real world missions, they have a lot of information for something that I can GUARANTEE was a classified mission.

 

[tvltre]

[quote name="bubbleheadchief"]You're right our military leaders should have said "Sorry old boys, she's one of yours. We're going to sit this one out." Yeah we have a team operating in the area, and you guys don't, and she will be gone either moved or killed by the time you get here....but she isn't our problem. Yup that makes sense.

Bri, the second story by a BRITISH newspaper, doesn't imply that Team Six did this, it flat out states they did. Now I am not saying they have facts wrong, or they are making things up, but for a guy who has worked with several different Teams in both training missions and real world missions, they have a lot of information for something that I can GUARANTEE was a classified mission.[/quote]



I concur, this was a classified mission and that the hostage was killed by a frag grenade. The only question I have is why a grenade of that type was used in such close quarters?



I wasn't there, I don't know what the situation was in regards to who was where. But if your in a rescue mission, you usually do not throw a frag. Most likely a flash bang, but never a bomb.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="tvltre"]



I concur, this was a classified mission and that the hostage was killed by a frag grenade. The only question I have is why a grenade of that type was used in such close quarters?



I wasn't there, I don't know what the situation was in regards to who was where. But if your in a rescue mission, you usually do not throw a frag. Most likely a flash bang, but never a bomb.[/quote]

Not even going to try to guess any of the parameters of this one. Enemy #'s, weapons carried, dispositions/locations IRT the hostage...too many factors to try and add in to suggest they should or shouldnt have had any kind of frags. Teams go in light, but they also go in with at least a nod at all possible outcomes.

If I read the second story right, they said he tossed it from a rooftop into a building? seriously, think about this for a minute, they had some intel, said so in the story.....listening knew where she was at and that they were moving her soon, You can surmise from this that they at least knew what building/hut she was in...so that a guy just willy-nilly threw a frag into that building??? I dont buy that...not saying it isnt what happened, but I have a hard time swallowing it.

 

[tvltre]

[quote name="bubbleheadchief"]

Not even going to try to guess any of the parameters of this one. Enemy #'s, weapons carried, dispositions/locations IRT the hostage...too many factors to try and add in to suggest they should or shouldnt have had any kind of frags. Teams go in light, but they also go in with at least a nod at all possible outcomes.

If I read the second story right, they said he tossed it from a rooftop into a building? seriously, think about this for a minute, they had some intel, said so in the story.....listening knew where she was at and that they were moving her soon, You can surmise from this that they at least knew what building/hut she was in...so that a guy just willy-nilly threw a frag into that building??? I dont buy that...not saying it isnt what happened, but I have a hard time swallowing it.[/quote]



That was what I was getting at. IMO, there is no way in the discription of what happened since by the story being conveyed that all but one threat had been eliminated and that a Seal threw a frag into a building he knew that threat was in?



I know the commander saw something the second time around. But, what is being described just doesn't sound right.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

[quote name="tvltre"]



That was what I was getting at. IMO, there is no way in the discription of what happened since by the story being conveyed that all but one threat had been eliminated and that a Seal through a frag into a building he knew that threat was in?



I know the commander saw something the second time around. But, what is being described just doesn't sound right.[/quote]

I see what you're getting at now......