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Does anyone still not like what Theo is doing?

I get not liking the idea of being bad for 2 years, but.... Is this not worth it? I mean you had to be 98 years old and dying in that time to be a true hater of Theo for doing the non intentional intentional tank.
 

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Nope, you have to win a ring EVERY year to quiet the idiots on CCS!
Not if you're a Sox fan living in bliss. They just won their first title in a bazillion years last ye.....er I mean a decade ago now.
 

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I still hate he traded Castro, but that's me. Other than that, we're OK. Pitching is still a little worrisome.
 

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A little props to the Ricketts as well for spending a few bucks more than we were thinking would be the case.
 

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Pitching is still a little worrisome.

Pitching is really good right now, but not great. I don't think they're done yet though, although I wouldn't expect a blockbuster trade for a top arm. More depth kind of thing. If we can pick up a solid #3 or #4 to push Hammel out of the rotation I'll be happy.

The 2015 team won 97 games and knocked the Cards out of the playoffs. The 2016 team is already a lot better than the 2015 - at least on paper. Now they have to prove it, and that's never a sure thing.

But damn, I like the way the roster looks...
 

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I still hate he traded Castro, but that's me. Other than that, we're OK. Pitching is still a little worrisome.

I agree. Could've had both Castro and Heyward on the same roster. I would've preferred that.
 

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Does anyone still not like what Theo is doing?

I get not liking the idea of being bad for 2 years, but.... Is this not worth it? I mean you had to be 98 years old and dying in that time to be a true hater of Theo for doing the non intentional intentional tank.

I've liked it since day one. He told everyone EXACTLY what he was going to do and executed to a T except being a year early.

Theo is a baseball genius as his track record proves.
 

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I've liked it since day one. He told everyone EXACTLY what he was going to do and executed to a T except being a year early.

Theo is a baseball genius as his track record proves.

Exactly, I never understood all the bitching about the Cubs rebuild, and the Theo and Rickett's bashing myself. They all pretty much said we were gonna suck for a few years and then trot out a winner onto the field.

And they did all while fighting politics and getting sued left and right. They used their money to build one of the best farm systems, renovate to ballpark, and funny enough, still had better records than the Sox (the people that bitched the most) during the rebuild.

And they have built the team into a powerhouse where top players are taking less money to come play for. Eat your Heart out Cubs bashers! :cubs:
 

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Does anyone still not like what Theo is doing?

I get not liking the idea of being bad for 2 years, but.... Is this not worth it? I mean you had to be 98 years old and dying in that time to be a true hater of Theo for doing the non intentional intentional tank.

I always accepted what he as doing as the right thing. I am still not in love with Zobrist or Lackey and think that money would have better off spent else where. I really hope we get a WS appearance, if not a win, in the next 3 years.
 

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Does anyone still not like what Theo is doing?

I get not liking the idea of being bad for 2 years, but.... Is this not worth it? I mean you had to be 98 years old and dying in that time to be a true hater of Theo for doing the non intentional intentional tank.

I hate how in terms of pitching in the farm, he's bulk drafted lesser round talents, in what I've called throwing shit against the wall and hoping something sticks.

Pitching wins. And we have Duane Underwood and a couple 18 year olds with Tommy John. Its not good enough to produce a starter or two.

Now I'm glad we took Bryant over Gray, Schwarber over Nola to me the jury is still out on.......we dont know if Schwarber is going to stick in the NL. Is his bat fantastic with potential? Yes. But he has no spot. He's not a left fielder. He also isn't a major league catcher. He's a DH, and from sounds of future CBA talks, no DH is coming to the NL.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...-in-nl-looking-into-limiting-pitching-changes

I still would have done Appel over Almora. I think the cubs could have put him in a fantastic position to succeed here. Houston let him bounce around, then stuck him in shitty situations in AA and tried to let him pitch his way out of his slumps instead of tweaking his fastball. I think with the guys the cubs got in the minors teaching, they would have caught that.

Also kind of think the whole double standard of "cant spend money on guys" to dropping 184 mil on Jason Heyward was a little hypocritical. But I don't quite think I'll lose sleep over it. :fap:
 

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... He also isn't a major league catcher.,
Certainly KS has a significant amount of improvement to do from a MLB standpoint, but it's worth the effort to see if he can improve his blocking and game calling. If he can prove to be an acceptable #2 catcher, that would allow the Cubs to carry an extra pitcher on the roster. Of course I'm not looking at 2016 when I make that comment. Either Montero or Contreras as the #1 and Ross is gone, etc.
 

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Now I'm glad we took Bryant over Gray, Schwarber over Nola to me the jury is still out on.......we dont know if Schwarber is going to stick in the NL. Is his bat fantastic with potential? Yes. But he has no spot. He's not a left fielder. He also isn't a major league catcher. He's a DH, and from sounds of future CBA talks, no DH is coming to the NL.

Schwarber posted a -2.0 UZR/150 while learning OF at the major league level. Which is to say he was essentially an average OF under some pretty extraordinary circumstances. Yet somehow you've drawn the conclusion that Schwarber is so awful defensively he's destined for DH. This moronic national narrative started after a few bad games in the NLCS and it apparently won't stop. Worse, it's affecting even Cubs fans who should know better.

If we should be worried about anyone's defense it's Soler, who is a career -10.7 UZR/150 in a far larger sample size, and he's been playing OF his entire life.
 

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People take metrics out of context so much. UZR

Sample Size and Reliability

One thing to keep in mind is that as with all metrics based on sample data where you are trying to estimate a true mean or value, the more data you have generally the more reliable your estimate. In other words, the more opportunities that UZR is based on, the more reliable the number, everything else being equal. On defense, 2B, SS, and CF have almost twice the number of opportunities per game than do the other positions on the field, but that does not necessarily mean that a UZR based on 100 games at SS is as reliable as 200 games at 3B. There are other factors that affect the reliability of a sample number.

How many UZR opportunities do you need for UZR to be reliable? There isn’t any magic number. If I asked you how many AB you need before a player’s BA becomes reliable, you would likely answer, “I don’t know. The more the merrier I guess.” That is true with UZR and with all metrics. Of course, for some metrics, you need more or less data than for other metrics for an equivalent reliability. It depends on the sampling error and the spread in underlying talent, and other things that are inherent in that metric. Most of you are familiar with OPS, on base percentage plus slugging average. That is a very reliable metric even after one season of performance, or around 600 PA. In fact, the year-to-year correlation of OPS for full-time players, somewhat of a proxy for reliability, is almost .7. UZR, in contrast, depending on the position, has a year-to-year correlation of around .5. So a year of OPS data is roughly equivalent to a year and half to two years of UZR.

Another way to look at it is after one year, a player’s true talent UZR or what you might expect from him in the future is as close to that one-year number as it is to zero (technically, the average of a similar type player, which might not be zero). The best estimate is somewhere in between – in fact more or less the mid-point. Given that, I don’t think it is fair to say that one year of UZR data is “unreliable.” Of course, the words “reliable” or “unreliable” have no quantitative meaning. You can make of them whatever you want. Personally, no matter what size sample of data I look at, I always do a mental regression. For a one-year UZR, I mentally regress UZR halfway toward the mean, which means basically to “cut it in half” since the mean is defined more or less as zero. If you want to refine that “rule of thumb” a little, you can regress a player’s UZR (per 150 games) toward +2 for a fast player, -2 for a slow player, and zero for anyone in between. That is more true in the OF than in the IF, and more true at SS and 2B than at 3B or 1B, as you might expect. In addition, when I say “fast” or “slow,” I mean relative to the average player at that position. So, for example, if a player is fast, but only as fast as the average CF’er, and he is a CF’er, then you still want to regress his UZR to zero.

One problem that comes up with any metric when you combine years in order to increase sample size and thus reliability, is that a player’s true talent may change from one year to the next, such that you are in some sense adding apples to oranges. We generally handle that by giving more weight to recent years and less weight to more distant years. So keep that in mind when you are looking at multi-year UZR’s.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fangraphs-uzr-primer/

The truth is hasn't had enough of a sample to know. He has had some really bad times out there and he has some good ones. Fact of the matter is as he ages he will start to slow down. He is built like a linebacker and low to the ground. He would get destroyed in big ball parks. He can get away with it at Wrigley. We will know more after a full season this year but he is going to have issues and would be a defensive liability in any park out West. But, I have always said if the stick plays. They will find you a position.
 

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People take metrics out of context so much. UZR

Sample Size and Reliability

One thing to keep in mind is that as with all metrics based on sample data where you are trying to estimate a true mean or value, the more data you have generally the more reliable your estimate. In other words, the more opportunities that UZR is based on, the more reliable the number, everything else being equal. On defense, 2B, SS, and CF have almost twice the number of opportunities per game than do the other positions on the field, but that does not necessarily mean that a UZR based on 100 games at SS is as reliable as 200 games at 3B. There are other factors that affect the reliability of a sample number.

How many UZR opportunities do you need for UZR to be reliable? There isn’t any magic number. If I asked you how many AB you need before a player’s BA becomes reliable, you would likely answer, “I don’t know. The more the merrier I guess.” That is true with UZR and with all metrics. Of course, for some metrics, you need more or less data than for other metrics for an equivalent reliability. It depends on the sampling error and the spread in underlying talent, and other things that are inherent in that metric. Most of you are familiar with OPS, on base percentage plus slugging average. That is a very reliable metric even after one season of performance, or around 600 PA. In fact, the year-to-year correlation of OPS for full-time players, somewhat of a proxy for reliability, is almost .7. UZR, in contrast, depending on the position, has a year-to-year correlation of around .5. So a year of OPS data is roughly equivalent to a year and half to two years of UZR.

Another way to look at it is after one year, a player’s true talent UZR or what you might expect from him in the future is as close to that one-year number as it is to zero (technically, the average of a similar type player, which might not be zero). The best estimate is somewhere in between – in fact more or less the mid-point. Given that, I don’t think it is fair to say that one year of UZR data is “unreliable.” Of course, the words “reliable” or “unreliable” have no quantitative meaning. You can make of them whatever you want. Personally, no matter what size sample of data I look at, I always do a mental regression. For a one-year UZR, I mentally regress UZR halfway toward the mean, which means basically to “cut it in half” since the mean is defined more or less as zero. If you want to refine that “rule of thumb” a little, you can regress a player’s UZR (per 150 games) toward +2 for a fast player, -2 for a slow player, and zero for anyone in between. That is more true in the OF than in the IF, and more true at SS and 2B than at 3B or 1B, as you might expect. In addition, when I say “fast” or “slow,” I mean relative to the average player at that position. So, for example, if a player is fast, but only as fast as the average CF’er, and he is a CF’er, then you still want to regress his UZR to zero.

One problem that comes up with any metric when you combine years in order to increase sample size and thus reliability, is that a player’s true talent may change from one year to the next, such that you are in some sense adding apples to oranges. We generally handle that by giving more weight to recent years and less weight to more distant years. So keep that in mind when you are looking at multi-year UZR’s.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fangraphs-uzr-primer/

The truth is hasn't had enough of a sample to know. He has had some really bad times out there and he has some good ones. Fact of the matter is as he ages he will start to slow down. He is built like a linebacker and low to the ground. He would get destroyed in big ball parks. He can get away with it at Wrigley. We will know more after a full season this year but he is going to have issues and would be a defensive liability in any park out West. But, I have always said if the stick plays. They will find you a position.

LOL, remember when analyzing baseball stats was easy?

It takes me a full night of research to fully grasp any of these advanced metric stats.
 

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LOL, remember when analyzing baseball stats was easy?

It takes me a full night of research to fully grasp any of these advanced metric stats.

They have so many. There is a reason Theo has a bunch of statistic junkies for this. I just find it funny on message boards when people throw out metrics and have no idea how they work and completely misconstrued the conclusions. Im not even really talking about the guy up there. Ive seen people just throw out some random shit and call it a day. lol
 

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To put Soler in proper perspective, K Law is on record as saying Soler would have been a Top 5 draft pick in 2012 had he been eligible for the draft. It's puzzling why anyone would look at Soler and say "trade him" at this juncture.
 

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People take metrics out of context so much. UZR

Sample Size and Reliability

One thing to keep in mind is that as with all metrics based on sample data where you are trying to estimate a true mean or value, the more data you have generally the more reliable your estimate. In other words, the more opportunities that UZR is based on, the more reliable the number, everything else being equal. On defense, 2B, SS, and CF have almost twice the number of opportunities per game than do the other positions on the field, but that does not necessarily mean that a UZR based on 100 games at SS is as reliable as 200 games at 3B. There are other factors that affect the reliability of a sample number.

How many UZR opportunities do you need for UZR to be reliable? There isn’t any magic number. If I asked you how many AB you need before a player’s BA becomes reliable, you would likely answer, “I don’t know. The more the merrier I guess.” That is true with UZR and with all metrics. Of course, for some metrics, you need more or less data than for other metrics for an equivalent reliability. It depends on the sampling error and the spread in underlying talent, and other things that are inherent in that metric. Most of you are familiar with OPS, on base percentage plus slugging average. That is a very reliable metric even after one season of performance, or around 600 PA. In fact, the year-to-year correlation of OPS for full-time players, somewhat of a proxy for reliability, is almost .7. UZR, in contrast, depending on the position, has a year-to-year correlation of around .5. So a year of OPS data is roughly equivalent to a year and half to two years of UZR.

Another way to look at it is after one year, a player’s true talent UZR or what you might expect from him in the future is as close to that one-year number as it is to zero (technically, the average of a similar type player, which might not be zero). The best estimate is somewhere in between – in fact more or less the mid-point. Given that, I don’t think it is fair to say that one year of UZR data is “unreliable.” Of course, the words “reliable” or “unreliable” have no quantitative meaning. You can make of them whatever you want. Personally, no matter what size sample of data I look at, I always do a mental regression. For a one-year UZR, I mentally regress UZR halfway toward the mean, which means basically to “cut it in half” since the mean is defined more or less as zero. If you want to refine that “rule of thumb” a little, you can regress a player’s UZR (per 150 games) toward +2 for a fast player, -2 for a slow player, and zero for anyone in between. That is more true in the OF than in the IF, and more true at SS and 2B than at 3B or 1B, as you might expect. In addition, when I say “fast” or “slow,” I mean relative to the average player at that position. So, for example, if a player is fast, but only as fast as the average CF’er, and he is a CF’er, then you still want to regress his UZR to zero.

One problem that comes up with any metric when you combine years in order to increase sample size and thus reliability, is that a player’s true talent may change from one year to the next, such that you are in some sense adding apples to oranges. We generally handle that by giving more weight to recent years and less weight to more distant years. So keep that in mind when you are looking at multi-year UZR’s.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fangraphs-uzr-primer/

The truth is hasn't had enough of a sample to know. He has had some really bad times out there and he has some good ones. Fact of the matter is as he ages he will start to slow down. He is built like a linebacker and low to the ground. He would get destroyed in big ball parks. He can get away with it at Wrigley. We will know more after a full season this year but he is going to have issues and would be a defensive liability in any park out West. But, I have always said if the stick plays. They will find you a position.

The sample size is what it is at this point. It's the best data we've got to make assessments on. Whinging about that fact doesn't get us anywhere, it fails to advance the conversation at all. The early reports are that whatever Schwarber's defensive adventures might be, they will be dwarfed by his offensive production. He's a net gain in runs as a total player, and the idea that the Cubs are going to trade him because of defense is just so meatball.
 

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To put Soler in proper perspective, K Law is on record as saying Soler would have been a Top 5 draft pick in 2012 had he been eligible for the draft. It's puzzling why anyone would look at Soler and say "trade him" at this juncture.

I would argue there's a rather important distinction between saying "trade Soler" and saying "if the Cubs HAD to trade a player to get a young, cost-controlled pitcher, Soler is the most expendable candidate."
 

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