If Ben leaves what are some options?

[Newskoolbulls]

If BG gets a nice offer and leaves what do we do? I know Salmons will start at the two and we will bring Kirk off the bench as the backup 2. Do we draft a SG with our second pick after we draft a big? Would you like to explore the SGs on the market for cheap?

Some guys that interest me:

Von Wafer

Rashard McCants

Morris Almond (really like this kid)

Jannero Pargo

Shannon Brown (yea i know)

Maybe Jarvis Hayes in a trade (he has a reasonable 2.5 mil one yr left)

anyone else?

 

[Basghetti80]

My gut tells me if Gordon walks and no trade is made for a star bigman we just draft someone like Blair with the #16 and then a good SG shooter with the #26. Names like Thornton, Budinger, Ellington come to mind. After signing both draft picks and having Gordon walk for nothing we would be right at the $68 million spot after signing a couple minimum salary players.


Rose,Hinrich, min salary PG(Roberson?)
Salmons, #26
Deng, Tim Thomas, min salary SF(Johnson)
Tyrus, Blair
Noah,Miller,James

Maybe add another min salary big if you can squeeze the money in and stay under luxury tax.

This is worst case scenario for offseason. There are 3 options this summer and this is the order of priority..

1) Trade for superstar PF and find a way to keep Gordon.(best scenario we win 50 games next year)

2) Trade for superstar PF and let Gordon walk. (not bad I imagine 45 wins is about right)

3) Let Gordon walk, no trade for superstar PF and just add 2 draft picks. (absolutely awful we regress down to a 37 win or so team)

 

[??? ??????]

Sit here and pray that Derrick Rose develops into a legitimate superstar, and that Dwyane Wade or Lebron James come in free agency.

 

[Basghetti80]

Well no way LBJ comes and I doubt Wade would. Joe Johnson would need to be your target.

Rose, Johnson, Deng, Tyrus, Noah ain't too bad.

 

[JimmyBulls]

The Bulls should just keep it simple. They should look to use their second first round pick on Danny Green.

 

[??? ??????]

Basghetti80 wrote:

Well no way LBJ comes and I doubt Wade would. Joe Johnson would need to be your target.

Rose, Johnson, Deng, Tyrus, Noah ain't too bad.

If Joe Johnson is our target, why not just keep Ben? Yes, Johnson gets you more in the assist department, but he also isn't that efficient of a scorer. In his 4 years with the Hawks, he has 3 sub 54 TS% seasons.

So you have Ben Gordon, who is the much better scorer and a slightly better defender, verse Joe Johnson, who is a better passer and rebounder.

 

[Rose1]

Morris Almond reminds me of Ray Allen. He can score and shoot from anywhere. He plays defense. He's media friendly. I would sign him.

 

[Rose1]

JimmyBulls wrote:

The Bulls should just keep it simple. They should look to use their second first round pick on Danny Green.

Danny Green has a future in the D-league. He's not even a true 2. He barely can dribble. He has size but I don't expect nothing from the kid. He's already reached his potential. It's a reason why he's ranked as most likely to go undrafted make almost every creditable source.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

You package both firsts and maybe a future first to move up and get derozan, harden or steph curry.

My guess is that with #16 and #25-30, you can get into the top 10. If you want to package next years first, you can even jump into the top 5. Problem is, none of these guys are a for sure thing....although Curry does intrigue me a bit.

 

[JimmyBulls]

Rose1 wrote:

JimmyBulls wrote:

The Bulls should just keep it simple. They should look to use their second first round pick on Danny Green.

Danny Green has a future in the D-league. He's not even a true 2. He barely can dribble. He has size but I don't expect nothing from the kid. He's already reached his potential. It's a reason why he's ranked as most likely to go undrafted make almost every creditable source.

What source have him going undrafted? Stop making crap up.

I don't think Green is a potential breakout star, but he could be a very valuable roleplayer. Salmons is the starter, and Green could be a good, high energy, defensive oriented roleplayer. He can guard the postion, so that means he can play the position. I don't think he is the second coming of Kobe, but he could (and most like will) be a shooting guard version of Battier.

1) 6'6" 215
2) Very good defensively
3) Can knock down the open three
4) Understands and respects his limits
5) Solid free throw shooter

The above is clearly not a example of a potential star, but sometimes if you look for a star you end up with a crappy player like Morris Almond. Sometimes you have to go with the smart basketball player, and the 26th pick is a great place to draft one.

 

[TheStig]

Our options aren't very bright, we might as well curl up in a ball and cry because we won't make the playoffs unless Deng gets back to the Deng of a couple of years ago. Salmons also need to stay healthy. Bottom line, we will miss the playoffs without him and won't even get a good pick. No 16 or 26 pick is going to come in and rescue us.

 

[charity stripe]

This won't be a problem because BG will sign will the Bulls - 3year deal. B)

 

[TheStig]

charity stripe wrote:

This won't be a problem because BG will sign will the Bulls - 3year deal. B)

I hope your right, it hasn't worked out that way in the past couple of offseasons.

 

[Manic Devourer]

Rose1 wrote:

Morris Almond reminds me of Ray Allen. He can score and shoot from anywhere. He plays defense. He's media friendly. I would sign him.

Morris Almond reminds you of Ray Allen?? In what way?

As Charles Barkley would say, the only thing they have in common is they are both black.

Morris Almond has been in the league for 2 years, yet he is making his biggest impact in the D-league at the age of 24. The Jazz aren't exactly deep at the shooting guard spot, and he has more than enough chances these past 2 season to solidify his spot as a rotation guard player on their roster yet he has never taken the opportunity with 2 hands.

He may still end up being a decent rotation player somewhere in the league, but so far he has been a dud. Mind you, I wanted the Bulls to acquire and additional pick to draft him and think he can be a decent scorer in this league, but so far....meh.

 

[??? ??????]

charity stripe wrote:

This won't be a problem because BG will sign will the Bulls - 3year deal. B)

Gordon's going to go for the longterm deal. And the Bulls can't really make an adequate offer to get Gordon to sign such a short deal, because to make it worthwhile, they will have to pay more in the first year then they would on a 6 year deal, pushing them further into the luxury tax.

Even during the first rounds of negotiation...you had Paxson touting his line that the players have to give up a little financially, and sign for below market value, in exchange for the financial security. Gordon countered, that they should be paid more because they are giving up that sixth year with the early extension.

Gordon is going to go for the best, 6 year deal, that he can get imo. 5 years if the Pistons just outright sign him.

 

[Manic Devourer]

I'm still in somewhat stunned that Gordon declined to sign an extension 2 years straight. I mean regardless of how much you think you are worth, to go TWO straight years without signing an extension, that's just idiocy.

He could have signed his extension 2 seasons ago, at a very good rate mind you, and in 5 years time would have still been young enough and in his prime that he would have recieved an even better contract at a lenght just as long.

Instead of 2 big contracts, now he'll likely only get one big contract and another which will likely be a short term deal. Whoever is advising him should be fired 100 times over.

 

[??? ??????]

Manic Devourer wrote:

I'm still in somewhat stunned that Gordon declined to sign an extension 2 years straight. I mean regardless of how much you think you are worth, to go TWO straight years without signing an extension, that's just idiocy.

He could have signed his extension 2 seasons ago, at a very good rate mind you, and in 5 years time would have still been young enough and in his prime that he would have recieved an even better contract at a lenght just as long.

Instead of 2 big contracts, now he'll likely only get one big contract and another which will likely be a short term deal. Whoever is advising him should be fired 100 times over.

Technically, he did try to sign a contract with the Bulls this offseason, but the Bulls wouldn't let him and acted like babies.

Gordon also turned down the contract before the economy fell off a cliff. I wrote an extensive piece using a simulation to estimate how much Gordon would score this year ( http://dabullz.com/2008/09/01/qualifying-offer-good-or-bad-idea/ ). Quite frankly, if Gordon didn't sign the long term deal, and the economy stayed on track, he would be looking for a big payday.

He still might be. I think the Pistons will probably divvy up their capspace between Gordon and Boozer, and either bring Stuckey off the bench as a sixth man, or ship him out as a center, and convert Gordon to point guard, ala Billups, and try to get back on track just like that with a Gordon, Hamilton, Prince, Boozer core. What would happen is that Gordon either gets a nice contract from the Pistons (I would estimate probably $58 million over 5 years, aka a deal starting at about $10 million a year) or the Bulls match the Pistons, driving up the Bulls numbers, with in either scenario, Gordon getting his payday.

 

[hfritz32]

Ide like to pick up a guy like shannon brown again. He is providing the lakers with some quality minutes and think he could give us 10-15 min a night.

I like blair but if gordon or hinrich leaves i think you have to go with a sg or pg that will develop into a strong backup for the future

 

[Shakes]

??? ?????? wrote:

Technically, he did try to sign a contract with the Bulls this offseason, but the Bulls wouldn't let him and acted like babies.

The bulls did what they had to do. Once you've said "this is the deadline, take it or leave it" and then you go back on that and extend the deadline your credibility in future negotiations is pretty much zero. So they had to not let Gordon take the extensions even if that was against their short term interests. To do otherwise would have severely hurt their ability to play hardball with players.

Anyway if Ben leaves I think you try to get the best veteran you can in on a one year MLE type deal. You don't want to lock up long term salary, but you also don't want a late draft pick rookie learning the ropes in there when your team is on show for the 2010 free agents.

 

[dynastyVI]

Shakes wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

Technically, he did try to sign a contract with the Bulls this offseason, but the Bulls wouldn't let him and acted like babies.

The bulls did what they had to do. Once you've said "this is the deadline, take it or leave it" and then you go back on that and extend the deadline your credibility in future negotiations is pretty much zero. So they had to not let Gordon take the extensions even if that was against their short term interests. To do otherwise would have severely hurt their ability to play hardball with players.

Anyway if Ben leaves I think you try to get the best veteran you can in on a one year MLE type deal. You don't want to lock up long term salary, but you also don't want a late draft pick rookie learning the ropes in there when your team is on show for the 2010 free agents.

This is exactly the best situation if Ben does cut out. It's obvious with the dry FA market and draft that we need him next year. Hopefully they can get something done.