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I previously posted some optimism about the NBA lockout because the sides seemed to only be off by about 5%, a number which seemed quite reasonable. However, I put in the caveat that, if the owners were not going to...

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The NHL is quietly praying that both the NFL and NBA are dumb enough to lose regular season games because that is what it is going to take for it to move back into the national stage as a major sport in this country.
 

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The NHL is quietly praying that both the NFL and NBA are dumb enough to lose regular season games because that is what it is going to take for it to move back into the national stage as a major sport in this country.

bet you even if the nba and nfl lose games that the nhl still wont retain it's title as a major us sport
 

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bet you even if the nba and nfl lose games that the nhl still wont retain it's title as a major us sport

It depends in all honesty. If both the NFL and NBA lose significant portions of their season there is going to be a serious fan backlash. I don't think the NHL every gets back into the discussion as a top 3 sport, but I could see with a significant lockout in both the NFL and NBA that hockey firmly reclaims its position as the fourth sport in this country. I could be wrong, but the fan reaction from sports losing games due to labor issues doesn't bode well for either sport(MLB undisputed number 1 sport to possibly not even the number 2 sport in this country, NHL from a major sport in this country to barely a presence in the national scene). I am not naieve enough to believe that hockey will ever be as popular as it was in the 80s, but the NHL is going to be the biggest beneficiary if the NFL and NBA lose a significant portion of the season to labor issues.
 
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MLB is still over the NHL...
 

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MLB is still over the NHL...

Did I say the NHL was more popular than the big 3 in this country or would become more popular if there was a lockout in both NFL and NBA that cost significant portions of the regular season.
 

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MLB is still over the NHL...

NHL doesn't have to compete with baseball mostly. NHL starts when baseball ends, and and baseball starts when the NHL playoffs start, which, in all honestly, I would watch the playoffs over the start of the baseball season (I watch both, actually).

But my point is that most of their seasons do not overlap, where as NFL, NBA, and NHL are all over the same time frame.
 

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NHL doesn't have to compete with baseball mostly. NHL starts when baseball ends, and and baseball starts when the NHL playoffs start, which, in all honestly, I would watch the playoffs over the start of the baseball season (I watch both, actually).

But my point is that most of their seasons do not overlap, where as NFL, NBA, and NHL are all over the same time frame.

Exactly if the NFL and NBA both lost their whole season (beyond unlikely in my opinion) then people will have college football/basketball, NASCAR, and the NHL to watch. I don't see how the NHL doesn't stand to gain back a lot of lost ground if that were to happen.
 

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I usually take the players side, but if you understand how the market works, how the economics of the nature works, the owners are absolutely right in the case of wanting to balance and lower obligated contracts.

Remember, when the players get more money, who pays for that? You would be fooling yourself if you think the owners do. We do, we pay more for the tickets. Then it's a double whammy, because when it comes times for the teams to renovate or rebuild a new venue, a larger part of that burden gets passed down to the local tax payer, and not the owners, who should be held responsible for such investments.

The owners for the most part, have been very generous with what they give to the players. There is a solid history of owners in the NBA helping out players and their families, the community and so on. In fact, it is in their best interest to do so, because if they don't the public will scrutinize them and the tickets will not sell.

I'm sorry Doug, but as far as economics goes, you are very wrong when it comes to supporting the players here. Regardless of what someone would believe to be morally right, it will not improve the game, it will not make things better for the players, it will not make things better for the fans.

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The way I see it we're getting screwed either way. Owners "win" and we get no basketball to watch because there will be a lockout or players might just stop trying as hard because they're getting paid less. That would just make basketball worthless to watch. Players "win" and we're paying more for tickets. Although I guess you could make the case that players just want the same stuff which would mean small changes in ticket prices and whatnot, but we all know the owners are going to try to get as much money as they can out of us (and being businessmen you can't really blame them for this). We all know there's no such thing as a happy medium when people with this kind of money are involved.
 

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