Indiana and Creationism

[BlackHawkPaul]

Looks like the bill passed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-in-xgr-creationismbi,0,593526.story

There's no information yet about it being mandatory or an elective.

Really curious to see this one unfold.

 

[LordKOTL]

...and yet fully religious nations around the world embrace science rather than the bible for things that have been scientifically proven.



So, for all of the states who are trying to force Creationism as a fact, I want to say, "Thank you, Orvile Pigdicker and Phineas Stumpfucker, for making the best country in the world look like it's populated by people who are as modern and enlighteded as the Taliban."

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

I've been reading quite a bit about this, and have been paying attention to comments on both sides, and the excuses are alarming.

One of the tried and true is pitting the scientific theory versus faith (cloaked as theory) debate.

I have yet to discover if it will be elective/mandatory-- but the shocking discovery that I have made is that people are fine with it being taught as a mandatory class-- even next to a science class to create confusion (proponents will call it an educated debate).

 

[supraman]

At least make it intelligent design, then there can be at least other theories involved besides a deity

 

[BigPete]

I can't imagine for the life of me that a state with "In God We Trust" on their license plates would ever pass a law like this....oops forgot the purple....



When are state governments going to be forced (by their own constituents or the federal goverment) to adhere to the notion of "separation of church and state"? But then, when are we going to remove "In God We Trust" from our currency?

 

[TSD]

At least make it intelligent design, then there can be at least other theories involved besides a deity

Therein lies the problem, it wont be. In this country specifically christian agendas hide behind "intelligent design" as a cloak of non-religious meaning. You know and I know the very people pushing for this shit in school would be outraged if it didnt adhere to christian doctrine.

 

[MassHavoc]

Purdue University professor of chemistry John Staver told the panel evolution is the only theory of life's origins that relies on scientific investigations. He says creationism "is unquestionably a statement of a specific religion."

 

[TSD]

Purdue University professor of chemistry John Staver told the panel evolution is the only theory of life's origins that relies on scientific investigations. He says creationism "is unquestionably a statement of a specific religion."

ding ding ding.

 

[BigPete]

Purdue University professor of chemistry John Staver told the panel evolution is the only theory of life's origins that relies on scientific investigations. He says creationism "is unquestionably a statement of a specific religion."

In reality it is born from Judeo-Christianity and therefor Islam as well. But I get that he means it is from modern American evangelical christians.

 

[mikita's helmet]

ding ding ding.

Watch when smart kids who go to schools in Indiana that used to be able to get into MIT, RPI, Harvard, Yale, try to get accepted now, with that kind of scientific background.

 

[winos5]

Props to my Kids science teacher. They had an open discussion about this in class that spurred my son to come home and talk to me about evolution, natural selection, Charles Darwin and how that fits into what he has learned at CCD. We talked for over an hour. Anything that allows me to have an intelligent discussion with my teenager for an hour is good.

 

[BigPete]

Props to my Kids science teacher. They had an open discussion about this in class that spurred my son to come home and talk to me about evolution, natural selection, Charles Darwin and how that fits into what he has learned at CCD. We talked for over an hour. Anything that allows me to have an intelligent discussion with my teenager for an hour is good.

So he is becoming a critical thinker? I'm genuinely happy for you.

 

[winos5]

Basically, as much as any 16 year old more interested in Xbox and 15 year old girls than school can be. He's alot like me when I was his age, smart but not the hardest worker at school.

 

[Bringmepie]

Watch when smart kids who go to schools in Indiana that used to be able to get into MIT, RPI, Harvard, Yale, try to get accepted now, with that kind of scientific background.

At least there will still be a place for the pretty girls in the Miss Indiana/America pagent.

 

[mikita's helmet]

At least there will still be a place for the pretty girls in the Miss Indiana/America pagent.

This may be the reason for the change.

 

[the canadian dream]

Props to my Kids science teacher. They had an open discussion about this in class that spurred my son to come home and talk to me about evolution, natural selection, Charles Darwin and how that fits into what he has learned at CCD. We talked for over an hour. Anything that allows me to have an intelligent discussion with my teenager for an hour is good.

Good stuff.



there should be open discussion about these topics in classrooms. And for him to bring it home to you shows a lot about that classroom and that teacher and your homestead.



I have no issues with creationism being taught in classrooms (that sounds weird coming from my mouth) just as long as it's balanced with evolutionary theory also. Opposing theories are not unhealthy and just as Pete mentioned it spawns critical thought.



On a personal note I think creationist theories are pretty absurd yet I still find them fascinating and worth looking at through the lense of religion and spirituality. I really enjoy aboriginal creationist theories, concepts, stories, teachings etc.

 

[LordKOTL]

The issue with religion (i.e. creationism) in schools is that they're not too even handed with it. It's pretty much creation theory from the christian standpoint and that's it--maybe if you're lucky and live in New York or LA they put a jewish slant on it.



To me the biggest problem is that Americans don't want their kids to be critical thinkers (as a general rule). Everyone wants their kids to be smart, but with intelligence (book, street, or other), also comes questioning of "why". More often than not that "why" happens before parents or other authority figures think they are ready (news flash: they are ready when they start asking about and questioning it). Instead of being good, little obediant children who honor, obey, and respect their mother, father, and teachers; they start to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions which are ocassional completely different from, and opposite to what the authority figures think they should be--and the authority figures can't handle it--either the lack of homogeny scares them or the realization that the kids are smarter than them and can articulate their stance better scares them.



IMHO it's bullshit.