IPCC/Global Warming delt another scientific blow

[winos5]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio..._the_climate_consensus_G0kWdclUvwhVr6DYH6A4uJ



Interacademy Council of independant scientists and engineers finds IPCC scientific studies l"badly wanting".



Another serious blow to the legitimacy of global warming science.



"Al Gore and many other warming alarmists have insisted that "the debate is over" -- that the science was "settled." That claim is now in shreds -- though the grants are still flowing, and advocates still hope Congress will pass some version of the economically ruinous "cap and trade" anti-warming bill."



"The warming "scientific" community, the Climategate emails reveal, is a tight clique of like-minded scientists and bureaucrats who give each other jobs, publish each other's papers -- and conspire to shut out any point of view that threatens to derail their gravy train."

 

[canucklehead]

Overall, the IAC slammed the IPCC for reporting "high confidence in some statements for which there is little evidence. Furthermore, by making vague statements that were difficult to refute, authors were able to attach 'high confidence' to the statements." The critics note "many such statements that are not supported sufficiently in the literature, not put into perspective or not expressed clearly.

Yet the Himalayan claim wasn't based on peer-reviewed scientific data, or on any data -- but on speculation in a phone interview by a single scientist.

I think the final pgh's sum it up quite nicely:

Such behavior is perhaps to be expected from politicians and government functionaries. From scientists, it's a travesty.



In the end, grievous harm will have been done not just to individual scientists' reputations, but to the once-sterling reputation of science itself. For that, we will all suffer.

 

[Tater]

[quote name="winos5"]http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio..._the_climate_consensus_G0kWdclUvwhVr6DYH6A4uJ



Interacademy Council of independant scientists and engineers finds IPCC scientific studies l"badly wanting".



Another serious blow to the legitimacy of global warming science.



"Al Gore and many other warming alarmists have insisted that "the debate is over" -- that the science was "settled." That claim is now in shreds -- though the grants are still flowing, and advocates still hope Congress will pass some version of the economically ruinous "cap and trade" anti-warming bill."



"The warming "scientific" community, the Climategate emails reveal, is a tight clique of like-minded scientists and bureaucrats who give each other jobs, publish each other's papers -- and conspire to shut out any point of view that threatens to derail their gravy train."[/quote]



I think the bolded part says it all.

Follow the $.

 

[supraman]

Canuckle it is trageic. Scientists are supposed to put forth facts and ideas backed by facts.



Climate change is a potentially very serious issue and the science should be done correctly and accurately. If climate change is real then as a species we have to make some adjustments and be more eco-friendly when it is feasible. I mean is having cars with lower emissions a bad thing? Or is it a terrible idea to limit the usage of fossil fuels? No these are reasonable ideas. Whereas others are rather extreme and won't work. But if climate change is bunk are some of these ideas still bad? No but they just have be convenient.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

Supraman I have yet to hear of anyone who says "No climate change? Hell, I'm going to let my faucet run all day and hop in my Suburban to drive 500 miles in circles just for the hell of it. I'm also just going to open my refrigerator door and leave it that way forever. Shit, might as well crank up the A/C and open all the doors and windows too."



They get nervous when the government is trying to tell them what kinds of vehicles they can and can't drive, what kind of poisonous light bulbs they must use and any other ridiculous measure that the "global warming" community wants to force upon society.

 

[Tater]

[quote name="jaxhawksfan"]Supraman I have yet to hear of anyone who says "No climate change? Hell, I'm going to let my faucet run all day and hop in my Suburban to drive 500 miles in circles just for the hell of it. I'm also just going to open my refrigerator door and leave it that way forever. Shit, might as well crank up the A/C and open all the doors and windows too."



They get nervous when the government is trying to tell them what kinds of vehicles they can and can't drive, what kind of poisonous light bulbs they must use and any other ridiculous measure that the "global warming" community wants to force upon society.[/quote]



Exactly. I doubt there is anyone these days that doesn't try to recycle, save electricity and gas, against composting.....

The more aware people become, the more they do these things on their own when possible.



It's the government involvement/taxes that people fight against.

 

[supraman]

[quote name="jaxhawksfan"]Supraman I have yet to hear of anyone who says "No climate change? Hell, I'm going to let my faucet run all day and hop in my Suburban to drive 500 miles in circles just for the hell of it. I'm also just going to open my refrigerator door and leave it that way forever. Shit, might as well crank up the A/C and open all the doors and windows too."



They get nervous when the government is trying to tell them what kinds of vehicles they can and can't drive, what kind of poisonous light bulbs they must use and any other ridiculous measure that the "global warming" community wants to force upon society.[/quote]



I do those things every Tuesday.

 

[winos5]

Honestly, its the hypocrisy of the climate change/global warming political agenda that bothers me. Al Gore, the IPCC conferences ect... constantly telling us we have to use less energy while they gobble immense quantities of it globe trotting all over the world. And I'll pass on celebrities telling me how I should live my life (I'll bet Sheryl Crow uses TP made from virgin old growth sequoia trees)

 

[winos5]

More bad news for climate change alarmists.





Drowning Polar Bear scientist investigated for research misconduct



NASA data invalidates climate change computer models

 

[Variable]

How about it's scientists and other high ranking officials knowingly lying to you is what bothers you. That's what bothers me.

 

[winos5]

How about it's scientists and other high ranking officials knowingly lying to you is what bothers you. That's what bothers me.

I've been skeptical of global cooling, then global warming, and now climate change from the beginning. I've always thought it was "junk science".



The damage this and other "junk science" (like the vaccine bullshit or a million and one CAM therapies that are snake oil) does to the integrity of science in general bothers me greatly.

 

[Variable]

I understand where you are coming from, it's just that there always seems to be a contingent of people that will almost "excuse" the lies because well, it could've been real or it's probably a good idea to do what they say anyway, etc. That doesn't matter, that's besides the point. They lied to you. For profit. Why continue to trust them, to even consider listening to them? You wouldn't do that with any other person would you? You wouldn't continue to buy products from the same store that continues to rip you off would you? Or go back to a car dealership that sold you shitty cars? No, you're done with them, forever. We don't tolerate it. But when it comes to things like this and issues involving the government, we do. And it's completely backwards to me.

 

[MassHavoc]

I understand where you are coming from, it's just that there always seems to be a contingent of people that will almost "excuse" the lies because well, it could've been real or it's probably a good idea to do what they say anyway, etc. That doesn't matter, that's besides the point. They lied to you. For profit. Why continue to trust them, to even consider listening to them? You wouldn't do that with any other person would you? You wouldn't continue to buy products from the same store that continues to rip you off would you? Or go back to a car dealership that sold you shitty cars? No, you're done with them, forever. We don't tolerate it. But when it comes to things like this and issues involving the government, we do. And it's completely backwards to me.

Sounds like Vaccines = Autism.

 

[Variable]

That's different and for a different thread.

 

[BigPete]

http://www.thegreatwarming.com/repubgw.html



Most of you already posting here are going to shun this, but I have to post it anyway.



Here is an exerpt or two:

Republicans for Environmental Protection may sound like an oxymoron, but it is not. Our organization, as its name suggests, is dedicated to improving the environmental performance of the Republican Party and of Republican elected officials. Obviously there is quite a bit of work to be done.



When it comes to the issue of climate change, we still have far too many Republicans unwilling to face the problem. Some refuse to even acknowledge that there is a problem, while others are in denial about man’s culpability and the role played by the burning of fossil fuels.

So how do we explain the climate of denial that exists among many Republican leaders?



I see two primary factors that have created this problem.



First, is the party’s susceptibility to the business lobby. Somehow the notion has been loosed within GOP circles that supporting capitalism and economic growth requires an almost blind allegiance to the parochial agendas of business and industry.



The Bush Administration’s reluctance to address global warming epitomizes this view.



When conservatives allow the business community’s resistance to change and corporate concerns about near-term profitability to dominate their thinking, they become myopic, losing perspective on what is in the best interest of the nation and society as a whole.

Then there is the matter of political polarization and the notion that environmental protection is a liberal cause. Partisans from both ends of the ideological spectrum have contributed to the polarization of environmental issues. Probably the most insidious and irresponsible of these partisans are the radical self-professed “conservatives” that dominate our radio airwaves.

This is less than half of the article. But it is an interesting view point as to why so many people think the idea of anthropogenic climate change is a myth.



By the way, Chicagoans, how is that 122 year old record breaking rainfall feeling now?