Is This Defense Worse Than Mel Tucker's?

[The Hawk]

This team is not a bunch of loafs. They suck hard but I'd rather watch this than ignored fumbles and god awful coaching..

I think that you are right. Last year's team defensively had more talent. No question about it. But that team took a lot of plays off and dogged it including their most highly paid players. This team isn't dogging it, they simply have no talent on their defensive line and no speed in their Lbs. When you depend on your safeties and Cbs to make so many tackles, they are going to break down and this is what is happening right now. Losing Jackson after Gordon and Brisker was awful.

 

[BeerFan]

IMO, when Fangio was was gone and Urlacher retired, Briggs called it a day and collected a paycheck when he wasn't injured. That's why I don't think Briggs is worthy of HOF. That and coupled with taking off to promotes his restaurant. IMO, Urlacher made Briggs better. That's what HOF'ers do; they carry other players. With that that said, Briggs should be in the hall of very, very good, but not HOF. To me, he seemed to give up when they hired Tucker. That was unfair to Tucker. He never played with any intensity after that. I could forgive if I saw effort and would promote HOF for Briggs but I simply did not see it.

Side note: I thought Tucker should've been fired after 2nd consecutive 50+ allowed.

 

[jive]

IMO, when Fangio was was gone and Urlacher retired, Briggs called it a day and collected a paycheck when he wasn't injured. That's why I don't think Briggs is worthy of HOF. That and coupled with taking off to promotes his restaurant. IMO, Urlacher made Briggs better. That's what HOF'ers do; they carry other players. With that that said, Briggs should be in the hall of very, very good, but not HOF. To me, he seemed to give up when they hired Tucker. That was unfair to Tucker. He never played with any intensity after that. I could forgive if I saw effort and would promote HOF for Briggs but I simply did not see it.

Side note: I thought Tucker should've been fired after 2nd consecutive 50+ allowed.

That whole year was a fiasco, and we can attribute it to the front office.
We had Arians in for an interview, he wanted the job and Marinelli was willing to stay on as DC. And in typical Bears front office tom-foolery, they took the nerd with a plan for a Super Bowl parade and lost the coaching staff and players. It was a team that went 10-6 the season before, and still had talent.

I'm not gonna excuse Briggs, but it's hard for anyone to be fully motivated when the front office pulls idiot moves like that one.

 

[Thedude]

Willie Young, Tim Jennings, Lamar Houston, Allen

2014 was not in any way talented but this defense doesn’t have 1 NFL capable starter in the DL. Gipson, Jones are backups at best. Doesn’t matter how talented your secondary is if your DL can’t stop the run or generate pressure.

They don’t have an nfl player in the front 7

 

[Thedude]

Answer is definitely shaded by the "post-trades" roster and current injuries, but Tillman, DJ Williams, Ratliff, Paea, Houston, Peppers, Wootton, probably bostic and Allen are all better than their respective counterparts on the current team - and most of those play positions that have a bigger impact than the '22 roster's advantage which is mostly just Safeties. This is effectively comparing a 30th ranked defense with the 32nd (since Roquan trade) one though, if you want to argue that the difference is negligible i wouldnt disagree.

Edit: For objective measurement of how bad current D is - since Roquan trade the D has given up 34.6 ppg - this is 2 points higher than the worst defense of the last 2 decades, worse than the 0-16 Lions team, and is happening in a year where scoring in the NFL is DOWN by about 10% across the entire league. We'll see if they continue this pace but I mean the Mike White dismantling kind of points to this not just being a streak of bad luck.

Current offense scores points though and after the first year of the Trestman era, those offenses did score much at all

 

[Diehardfan]

Everyone wants a top 3 pick...you sure as hell won't get one with a strong defense.

 

[KittiesKorner]

Um

 

[MDB111™]

Statistically, no it’s not worse than Tucker.
Talent wise? Yes, it has worse talent.
Tucker was simply that bad of a DC and his GM/HC were too fucking stupid & weak to fire him mid-season.

Any chance you can pull those stats. I'm lazy and would like to see comparisons. I thought Mel Tuckers defense broke records for terribleness?

 

[Raskolnikov]

This is probably the least talented front seven the Bears have trotted out there since the 90s.

Justin Jones & Jack Sanborn are the only two I would not dump the very second the season is over and they both are still feeling very replaceable.

IIRC, yesterday was the first time someone on the DL had a sack since the win against the Pats and none of them have had more than two sacks on the entire season.

That is crazy sad.

The added issue from trading Quinn and Smith is inability to evaluate the rest of team in a functional setting.