James Shields

[chibears55]

Guess the White Sox and their fans didnt see what everyone else did in Shields. .

3 games with sox

2 IP 8 hits 2 BB 7 ER
5 IP 9 hits 4 BB 6 ER
1.2IP 7hits 3 BB 8 ER

So in total with the SouthSiders , he has given them
3 Games
8.2 IP 24 hits 9 BB 21 ER

Who won that trade ? [emoji12]


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[Diehardfan]

This is exactly why the Cubs shouldn't trade assets for veteran pitchers. Their shelf life is just too unpredictable. If they want to sign one, no problem...if it don't work, your only out the money.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I don't think trading for Shields demonstrates a good reason not to trade for a veteran pitcher. The White Sox FO is trying to fill holes at the MLB level instead of starting from scratch. It isn't working and it isn't like even amateurs on this forum couldn't see that Shields wasn't a very good trade for the Sox.

 

[Washington]

This is exactly why the Cubs shouldn't trade assets for veteran pitchers. Their shelf life is just too unpredictable. If they want to sign one, no problem...if it don't work, your only out the money.

Think KC is happy with last year's championship and their rental of Cueto? Bowman with the Hawks has treated each season with rigor and always makes moves with some having really paid off - in championships. I hope Theo has the cojones to make the big move if he's "feeling" it. One championship and he's one of the biggest Heros in Chicago sports annals.

How Shields has pitched has been very laughable though. The guy is a mess. I kinda feel bad for him other than knowing the serious cash he'll make no matter how he pitches.

 

[Boobaby1]

Think KC is happy with last year's championship and their rental of Cueto? Bowman with the Hawks has treated each season with rigor and always makes moves with some having really paid off - in championships. I hope Theo has the cojones to make the big move if he's "feeling" it. One championship and he's one of the biggest Hero in Chicago sports annals.

How Shields has pitched has been very laughable though. The guy is a mess. I kinda feel bad for him other than knowing the serious cash he'll make no matter how he pitches.

I think this FO has the cojones to make a move, however, it will not be with jeopardizing the farm or parent club. They have been successful so far in staying on that course. Right now, the bullpen should be the main focus, which wouldn't cost as much in prospect inventory.

As for Shields, it seems like a little bit of fate that he opted to go to the West Coast last year when the Cubs were coveting his services in the 11th hour. Maybe this is a good sign of things to come that things are falling in the right places for the Cubs?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I watched some highlights of the Shields performance last night and frankly he looks done. His velocity is down to about 89 and he has zero command of his stuff right now. We forget that sometimes that just happens.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I heard the Sox will pay most of his remaining salary in a deal.

 

[beckdawg]

I heard the Sox will pay most of his remaining salary in a deal.

Think they owe him 27 mil over the next 3 years if I remember right. That's not all of it. Granted the way he's pitching it's a lot of money.

 

[jooo83]

I don't think trading for Shields demonstrates a good reason not to trade for a veteran pitcher. The White Sox FO is trying to fill holes at the MLB level instead of starting from scratch. It isn't working and it isn't like even amateurs on this forum couldn't see that Shields wasn't a very good trade for the Sox.

Of course it doesn't. It's a major logic flaw to draw that conclusion based on a single player/trade.

 

[JZsportsfan]

The Cubs should add a SP regardless of Shields. The Cubs will do their due dilligence and not trade for a washed up 34 YO

Having a 6th SP would be great to have as depth. Could even switch to a 6 man rotation come the last 40 games or whatever to keep the TOR arms fresh for October. They will likely have a double digit lead so wouldn't be the worst thing

 

[brett05]

Guess the White Sox and their fans didnt see what everyone else did in Shields. .

3 games with sox

2 IP 8 hits 2 BB 7 ER
5 IP 9 hits 4 BB 6 ER
1.2IP 7hits 3 BB 8 ER

So in total with the SouthSiders , he has given them
3 Games
8.2 IP 24 hits 9 BB 21 ER

Who won that trade ? [emoji12]


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EJ has an 8.44 era.

What everyone else saw? :lol: :smh:

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Shields could've been in the 2nd year of a 3 year 60 million dollar deal with the Cubs had he taken the offer. v-::wacko:

 

[TL1961]

Think KC is happy with last year's championship and their rental of Cueto? Bowman with the Hawks has treated each season with rigor and always makes moves with some having really paid off - in championships. I hope Theo has the cojones to make the big move if he's "feeling" it. One championship and he's one of the biggest Heros in Chicago sports annals.

How Shields has pitched has been very laughable though. The guy is a mess. I kinda feel bad for him other than knowing the serious cash he'll make no matter how he pitches.

Theo has stated numerous times, that he wants to build an organization that puts itself in contention year in and year out. The playoffs are unpredictable, and it would be foolish to trade away a lot in order to "go for it".

That's not to say you can't make moves to strengthen this year's team. But many fans have this "just get ONE" attitude, and fortunately Theo is not looking at it that way.

 

[TL1961]

EJ has an 8.44 era.

What everyone else saw? :lol: :smh:

I don't know about "everyone", but I sure did. I was stunned that fans and gurus could suggest the trade for Shields was some big coup.

But even being very skeptical, I wasn't imagining 21 ER in under 9 IP. That's just classic.

 

[DanTown]

EJ has an 8.44 era.

What everyone else saw? :lol: :smh:

Yeah, but Shields costs you way more both in salary and you can't really get rid of him. Obviously he'll likely pitch better but if even he does, he's costing you enough money that I'm not sure he's better than just having EJ go out there and be what he was. As someone who said this deal was a "Really good deal for the White Sox." and "This is a no brainer move really", I think you have to accept that he may just be done being a useful pitcher and you have him for two more years.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I understand why the White Sox made the deal. If Shields has anything left he was a valuable addition. The problem is that he may not. He's about as awful as I've ever seen a formerly effective pitcher and the answer isn't obvious as it's a combination of decreased velo, control issues and lack of command of virtually any of his pitches. I guess I just wonder what the White Sox scouting department saw. His fall off came before the trade and one would have to assume that the Sox saw something on video that separated the guy who was awful from the guy who was pretty good in April. Whatever they saw they're not able to convey it to Shields and he sure isn't figuring it out on his own. If he really is done this is among the most botched scouting jobs of all time.

 

[brett05]

Yeah, but Shields costs you way more both in salary and you can't really get rid of him. Obviously he'll likely pitch better but if even he does, he's costing you enough money that I'm not sure he's better than just having EJ go out there and be what he was. As someone who said this deal was a "Really good deal for the White Sox." and "This is a no brainer move really", I think you have to accept that he may just be done being a useful pitcher and you have him for two more years.

I agree with your last part but your first part is wrong. Shields is $5 million this year and $11 each of the two remaining years. Way less than Danks or LaRoche. It's really not that much money at all.

 

[brett05]

I understand why the White Sox made the deal. If Shields has anything left he was a valuable addition. The problem is that he may not. He's about as awful as I've ever seen a formerly effective pitcher and the answer isn't obvious as it's a combination of decreased velo, control issues and lack of command of virtually any of his pitches. I guess I just wonder what the White Sox scouting department saw. His fall off came before the trade and one would have to assume that the Sox saw something on video that separated the guy who was awful from the guy who was pretty good in April. Whatever they saw they're not able to convey it to Shields and he sure isn't figuring it out on his own. If he really is done this is among the most botched scouting jobs of all time.

Shields wasn't awful prior to the trade. He had one atrocious outing.

But I agree there is no signs of why he is so craptacular. I wonder if it is something internal. I'd start blood work to be honest.

 

[Washington]

Theo has stated numerous times, that he wants to build an organization that puts itself in contention year in and year out. The playoffs are unpredictable, and it would be foolish to trade away a lot in order to "go for it".

That's not to say you can't make moves to strengthen this year's team. But many fans have this "just get ONE" attitude, and fortunately Theo is not looking at it that way.

When you have been waiting for 108 years, your attitude should be to "just get one." In fact, it should be that every year you are in contention. I am SO GLAD Bowman gets it. He goes for it every year and the Hawks have 3 championships with 2 under his watch. He then deals with the issues the next season. I love Bowman's approach. Without winning one, we are the Biggest Laughingstock of the modern sports era with the Biggest streak of futility. And that will be even worse to the comics and critics after this year if they end up with the best record and don't win it all. They'll continue to be the butt-end of millions of jokes. They need to "Get One" in the worst way and if it takes giving up some prospects, then do it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Shields could've been in the 2nd year of a 3 year 60 million dollar deal with the Cubs had he taken the offer. v-::wacko:

The Cubs dodged a bullet.